CortezBlue
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Photographers Baja Dream Trip, who's in?
http://www.mentorseries.com/treks/2014/baja-california-2014
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DENNIS
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"We will then spend our evenings on board reviewing our images and overall photographic process, and consider where adjustments can be made."
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I guess this means it's a digital adventure and Nat Geo, who rose to fame on Kodachrome, won't be mingling with lowly film shooters when it comes to
overly expensive camping trips.
Another sell-out for the art community.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
"We will then spend our evenings on board reviewing our images and overall photographic process, and consider where adjustments can be made."
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I guess this means it's a digital adventure and Nat Geo, who rose to fame on Kodachrome, won't be mingling with lowly film shooters when it comes to
overly expensive camping trips.
Another sell-out for the art community. |
Dennis, I took a seminar that was led by the head Nat Geo photo guy and he addressed this issue. They certainly have not turned their backs on film,
but it is all about the reality of change. Digital is here to stay. He said that they also accept HDR photos is they are done properly. And he said
he catches flak for both things.
He said that the fewer adjustments that are needed, the better, but he just considered the digital adjustment as he considered dark room adjustments.
The other leader at that seminar was one Nevada Weir who is an international photo journalist. She said it took her time to change to digital, but
she seldom uses film anymore. Her photos are magnificent, in my opinion. http://www.nevadawier.com/
She does use photoshop, but has one personal rule. She never crops a photo. The image is either there or it is not.
Between the two of them, there was too much information for much to sink in, but it was worth it anyway.
This trip? Well, for me, it is all about the money --- it just is not in the budget.
Then again, I know one professional landscape photographer who has gone back to film, but he still uses photoshop and each image with his large frame
cameras costs him about $20.00 to process.
[Edited on 3-19-2013 by DianaT]
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
She does use photoshop, but has one personal rule. She never crops a photo. The image is either there or it is not.
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Really?? If framing is her primary concern, I'd say she's been devoured by technology. Pretty soon she'll just be able to tie her camera to a tree,
set it to thirty second intervals and retrieve it a week later.....then print, publish and bow to the applause.
Photography is a lost art. Too bad.
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Hook
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No, I think she's saying that if you cant even get FRAMING correct in the field, you might as well take up some other hobby. She saying framing ISNT
her primary concern, once she's processing.
I agree with her, though I wont say I never crop. Sometimes the framing you SEE in your mind cant be captured with the lens you carry; usually due to
physical constraints. Rather than have a photo with lots of extraneous area, I'll crop to make the image "better" in my judgement.
But I almost never crop. I frame by moving the camera or changing the lens.
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Osprey
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When I was using film I did all my editing through the lens but when digital came along I realized I could take shots of stunning things ruined by
extranea, then crop out the baaad things for a good picture I might have otherwise missed.
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mtgoat666
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when i bought my camera the owners manual provided no indication i have to follow anybody's rules re composition, exposure or editing. so why are
y'all obsessing about methods? to each his own!
the great thing about art is there are no rules!
(it's another matter if we consider your photos art)
i hear nomads like to post pictures of their dogs, the fish they caught, and the meal they ate or made. is that true? 
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vgabndo
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Guilty of most of those charges!
I also crop, and sometimes effect contrast and even color saturation. What is left, is what I chose to share of my experience. I can't, nor can
anyone, duplicate what was in front of them. It is still a micro-second in time. Some are prettier than others.
Before photography, was it better to share the oil paintings we made of each other? Personally, I'm not going back; and I do that without guilt.
There is a lot of digital photography on this site made with cameras that cost 100 times as much as my second hand Canon D500. Which ones were they?
I say it still takes skill to make a nice picture.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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tripledigitken
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I'd be interested in your report of this trip, are you in?
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
when i bought my camera the owners manual provided no indication i have to follow anybody's rules re composition, exposure or editing.
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Maybe you should buy something besides a point-and-shoot camera next time.
My Nikon manual has lots of shooting tips for different situations. And editing tips have NEVER really been in camera manuals. That's what the
software manual is for.
| Quote: | | i hear nomads like to post pictures of their dogs, the fish they caught, and the meal they ate or made. is that true? |
Yeah, they do. But that isnt necessarily art. Art isnt the only reason to take pics, Goat.
But you do manage to paint people with a broad brush.......so, I guess you are an ARTIST, huh? 
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by DianaT
She does use photoshop, but has one personal rule. She never crops a photo. The image is either there or it is not.
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Really?? If framing is her primary concern, I'd say she's been devoured by technology. Pretty soon she'll just be able to tie her camera to a tree,
set it to thirty second intervals and retrieve it a week later.....then print, publish and bow to the applause.
Photography is a lost art. Too bad. |
I think you misunderstood, but I am not going to defend her art work --- her photos do that very well.
It sounds like you may never see digital photography as art, and that is fine. A lot of people felt the same way when photography went from Black and
White or B&W with color or tones added in other ways, to B and W and full color photography. Lots of changes over the years and IMHO, it is a
matter of personal opinion and choice.
Who coined the old and overused saying that still holds true; Art is in the eye of the beholder.
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mtgoat666
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dennis is still griping about dylan going electric almost 50 years ago!
proof that with age comes rigidity! you cant teach an old dog new tricks!
"damn kids these days!"
"back when i was a kid,..."
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CortezBlue
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
I'd be interested in your report of this trip, are you in? |
Not me
I hate to say it, but I think Dennis is correct.
For this price I would rather go out on my own and take some photos.
That being said, I have shot film and Digital since the 60's and I think I have learned to frame the image
PS I still shot film with my 1992 Hasselblad camera
[Edited on 3-20-2013 by CortezBlue]
[Edited on 3-21-2013 by CortezBlue]
[Edited on 3-21-2013 by CortezBlue]
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CortezBlue
| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
I'd be interested in your report of this trip, are you in? |
Not me
I hate to say it, but I think Dennis is correct.
For this price I would rather go out on my own and take some photos.
That being said, I have shot film and Digital since the 60's and I think I have learned to fame the image
PS I still shot film with my 1992 Hasselblad camera
[Edited on 3-20-2013 by CortezBlue] |
It certainly doesn't provide value for Nomads who have already traveled to Baja. I don't need Nat Geo to take me to San Javier.
Many opportunities for intense photo instruction and review with editing tips on 3-4 day trips throughout the US for a fraction of the price quoted on
this trip.
(I "defame" landscape shots quite frequently)
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DianaT
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This Baja trip is very expensive. All of the National Geo tours are expensive.
However, if I had the funds, I would love to go on one of Nevada Weir's tours. Her tours are not as much about instruction, they are more about
taking people to more obscure places in the world. They are photo and cultural tours, not workshops. http://www.nevadawier.com/tourfrst.html
Gees, I sound like her agent --- I am just a fan. 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
with age comes rigidity! |
Don't believe everything you wish for.
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