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bryanmckenzie
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Thanks for explaining that, Pescador. I didn't know that. And no one else mentioned anything either, crew or other attendees. Since I'm more of a deep
sea drinker than a deep sea fisherman, I shall heed your advice in the future. And stick with Dorado and Tellowtail and the like.
Yippie ... trip starts tomorrow! And intersects the Baja 1000 race on November 14.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.”
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Samuel Langhorne Clemens (November 30, 1835 – April 21, 1910)
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bryanmckenzie
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Sorry, Willardguy. That Marlin was very tasty that evening. And the next several weeks back home. And at the malecon restaurants in CSL. 
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.”
-Mark Twain
Samuel Langhorne Clemens (November 30, 1835 – April 21, 1910)
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Kgryfon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
That's a sheephead and tastes like lobster and will take your finger off easly..they eat barnacles,mussels,crabs and just about they can sink their
teeth into,Which is about anything..I use wire leader with no weight from shore in the crevices of rocks...same for chio mira AKA clown fish...sorry
they ARE nOT IN THE EAST BAY |
With the teeth and the coloring they look like vampire fish...bwah ha ha!! Perfect time of year to catch one!  And you're right, I have never seen one around these parts!
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chuckie
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What Pecador said..doubtful it survived....
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captkw
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letting go
Most of the time its best to cut the leader next to the mouth..And yes that depends on the hook and many factors...Such as a long dragged out fight
will actually drown a marlin,shark...but,,taking a fish out of the water even for a pic is not the best way to go...keep in the water and don't mess
with their protecting mucas/slime.....I have seen fish released and while running back to port the fish was bottom's up(floating dead) on the surface
after the angler was long gone....Glad that folks are protecting whats left !!
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Skipjack Joe
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Yes, that sailfish will probably not survive. It is exhausted. Once a sailfish gets that brown brassy coloration it means that he's really tired and
has lactic acid buildup in his blood. A sailfish should be released while it's back still has a purple color and the sides are pretty pale. Fishing
with really light tackle, or flyfishing, or bringing up on board pretty much spells doom to the fish.
No way you could have known. The Mexican guides didn't know when I fished. I've released them in that condition as well.
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boe4fun
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Shelley once used a sheepshead to make a "mock lobster salad" which we served at a party we had. Everyone there thought we had sprung for the real
stuff!
Two dirt roads diverged in Baja and I, I took the one less graveled by......
Soy ignorante, apático y ambivalente. No lo sé y no me importa, ni modo.
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shari
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I make necklaces out of the teeth and people think they are dolphin teeth!
sheepshead....the great pretenders!
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bryanmckenzie
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Thanks everyone. I had no idea. I feel like such a schmuck. I wish the crew or the reservations person or someone had given us a short educational
session on what to expect and behave like a conscientious visitor and sometimes angler. 
| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Yes, that sailfish will probably not survive. It is exhausted. Once a sailfish gets that brown brassy coloration it means that he's really tired and
has lactic acid buildup in his blood. A sailfish should be released while it's back still has a purple color and the sides are pretty pale. Fishing
with really light tackle, or flyfishing, or bringing up on board pretty much spells doom to the fish.
No way you could have known. The Mexican guides didn't know when I fished. I've released them in that condition as well. |
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.”
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Samuel Langhorne Clemens (November 30, 1835 – April 21, 1910)
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Pescador
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Well, BryanMcKenzie I really feel that you are an upstanding citizen to take the information and receive in the vein in which it was intended. It
has been a longstanding custom for people to drag the small marlin and sailfish up on the deck for a photo and then throw them back in the water
thinking that they had acted in a really positive and sensitive way. But the truth has slowly evolved and there will always be some captains who will
continue to do that even though all the new research has shown it is detrimental. My favorite quote is:
C-P-R Is A Sham
Releasing billfish has grown in popularity in the last few years, and that is a good thing. But there is still a segment of the angling community that
feels a need for some kind of trophy to commemorate their achievement. Out of this need was born the concept of c-p-r - catch-photograph-release. This
idea of this misguided procedure is to catch the fish, hoist it out of the water to get a good photograph, and then release it "unharmed". While
admirable in its goal, it is dangerously unrealistic in practice. The skeleton of a billfish was not designed to support the weight of its body out of
the buoyant protection of the water, and serious damage can be done to its internal organs. And, as any fisherman knows, handling a fish causes damage
to its protective slime coat, greatly increasing the change of infection or infestation. Billfish are beautiful creatures that provide us with
wonderful entertainment but which need our protection. If the memory of the battle is not sufficient reward for you, perhaps you should seek a
different pastime.
Stan
So if you are ever in the Santa Rosalia area and want to go out fishing for a day, just stop by and I would be happy to take you out.
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chuckie
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The best part about the sunset Shari showed us was that she was sitting with us on the upstairs patio when she took that picture......Love the place,
love her and Juan....gonna keep going back.....
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bryanmckenzie
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Pescador, Stan ...
Thank you. I think. Only because I'm feeling even scmhuckier than before my last post. I want to (and try to) be a good enviro-citizen, but it sucks
when you're having fun, told to catch-and-release, and yet that's messed up! Dangnabbit! I'm trying to balance Baja-fun with doing the right thing.
I want to be a good Baja Nomad. As most all off us do. Yet, some of us need just a bit of "education." Thank you for straightening out at least this
one person.
-Bryan
| Quote: | Originally posted by Pescador
Well, BryanMcKenzie I really feel that you are an upstanding citizen to take the information and receive in the vein in which it was intended. It
has been a longstanding custom for people to drag the small marlin and sailfish up on the deck for a photo and then throw them back in the water
thinking that they had acted in a really positive and sensitive way. But the truth has slowly evolved and there will always be some captains who will
continue to do that even though all the new research has shown it is detrimental. My favorite quote is:
C-P-R Is A Sham
Releasing billfish has grown in popularity in the last few years, and that is a good thing. But there is still a segment of the angling community that
feels a need for some kind of trophy to commemorate their achievement. Out of this need was born the concept of c-p-r - catch-photograph-release. This
idea of this misguided procedure is to catch the fish, hoist it out of the water to get a good photograph, and then release it "unharmed". While
admirable in its goal, it is dangerously unrealistic in practice. The skeleton of a billfish was not designed to support the weight of its body out of
the buoyant protection of the water, and serious damage can be done to its internal organs. And, as any fisherman knows, handling a fish causes damage
to its protective slime coat, greatly increasing the change of infection or infestation. Billfish are beautiful creatures that provide us with
wonderful entertainment but which need our protection. If the memory of the battle is not sufficient reward for you, perhaps you should seek a
different pastime.
Stan
So if you are ever in the Santa Rosalia area and want to go out fishing for a day, just stop by and I would be happy to take you out.
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“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.”
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Samuel Langhorne Clemens (November 30, 1835 – April 21, 1910)
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captkw
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WoW,,,Awesome!!
quote "C-P-R Is A Sham
Releasing billfish has grown in popularity in the last few years, and that is a good thing""" ............ Being I cant spell,,,type,,,write....but
have spent my life on the water..and have run a lot of fishing trips...that post was RIGHT on the Money..but,, at least folks are releasing more fish
than ever and that is a good start!! A big fish should never leave the water for a reel release !!
[Edited on 10-31-2013 by captkw]
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Skipjack Joe
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On the other hand C&R has been hugely successful in the freshwater world. You can expect to catch fish as large as they were in the 1930's in many
of the trophy trout rivers throughout the west due to C&R. I believe studies have shown that over 90% of trout released by flyfishermen and those
using single barbless hooks will survive. There are trout in these rivers that are caught 4-5 times every season.
But that's because the tackle being used doesn't really stress the fish that hard. The trout is brought in in a reasonable amount of time without any
exhausting runs and are hooked in the lip. But when these same flyfishermen fly down to Las Arenas and fish for tuna with a flyrod it's very
different. A 25-30lb tuna can take an hour to subdue with a flyrod and it's only coming in because it is totally drained, usually on it's side, no
longer able to swim upright.
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