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Ateo
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People are, and have been driving stoned forever.
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wessongroup
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Mood: Suicide Hot line ... please hold
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Think your right Ateo ... drunk Roman's driving chariots, will bet there were a few ... not sure about them doing "herb" ... just saying 
While in Mexico ... be careful 
[Edited on 2-17-2014 by wessongroup]
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Bajajorge
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My take on the legalization of MJ has always been, driving under the influence of alcohol has killed thousands yearly. So let's legalize MJ and kill a
few thousand more.
You need medical marijuana, go get some pills, they've been making them for years.
Does anybody out there have the stats for how many fraudulent "Medical Marijuana" scripts are floating around out there?
Why do Liberals insist and demand that achievers pay the way for nonachievers who are to lazy to succeed, or are just failures by their own choice?
Criminals prefer unarmed victims, dictators prefer unarmed subjects.
Why do ignorant people continue their blabbering when it only proves to others how stupid they are.
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vgabndo
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Bajaguy, it is likely we have little on which to agree. I continue to question your choice of research to support your point.
Your most recent offering says NOTHING about the culpability of the person testing positive for THC in their fatal accident. Since the debilitating
effects on motor skills and judgement, when they occur, only last at most a couple of hours, and the presence of THC in a person's blood can persist
for weeks or longer your study only proves that more people are smoking cannabis in 2010 than in 1999 and that some of them die on the highway, but it
does NOT say they died because they were using cannabis. Your study also does not make any distinction between victims who had THC in their systems
and those with THC and a fatal load of alcohol. (a really bad combo.)
http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/drugtestguide/drugtestdet...
Exhaustive testing of people in driving simulator devices, or in controlled driving tests, and the collection of scientific data related to impairment
of motor skills and judgement seem to support the idea that only cannabis users with a fresh, heavy dose in their systems demonstrate impairment at a
level beyond the variability seen when comparing age, gender or legal alcohol consumption to accident rates.
Your main stream media report is also spiked with emotional non-scientific information about the potential results of impaired driving. We all know a
story of a tragic highway death, we are all pained by them, to use these emotional anecdotes to counter the research is propaganda.
In a state where vendors routinely give away alcohol for free, and 24 hours a day, I can understand how you could be upset about pervasive impaired
driving, but I don't think cannabis is as much a worry as even cell phone use, which has proven as debilitating as blowing a .08. http://www.distraction.gov/download/research-pdf/comparison-...
I'm not interested in moving to Washington, Colorado, OR Nevada. I'd like to
see a much more rational approach starting at the national level. It could begin by eliminating one of the falsehoods contained in your latest link.
Cannabis is not a narcotic, and should never have been classified as such. Then we can begin to talk about how cannabis prohibition fuels the prison
industrial complex and how that relates to continued prohibition. It is a long topic, and the emerging medical information makes the substance even
more intriguing Ensenada Dr.
Undoubtedly, there are people who cannot afford to give the anchor of sanity even the slightest tug. Sam Harris
"The situation is far too dire for pessimism."
Bill Kauth
Carl Sagan said, "We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
PEACE, LOVE AND FISH TACOS
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Bajajorge
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The politicians are running out of tobacco tax money due to everyone following the advise to quit smoking cigarettes, cigars and using chew.
Politicians have to replace that lost tax money, so they now fall over themselves in legalizing and taxing MJ. I wonder what they'll tax next after
they decide to ban MJ again in years to come?
Why do Liberals insist and demand that achievers pay the way for nonachievers who are to lazy to succeed, or are just failures by their own choice?
Criminals prefer unarmed victims, dictators prefer unarmed subjects.
Why do ignorant people continue their blabbering when it only proves to others how stupid they are.
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