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bajabuddha
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I've had bad ice cubes before too....... NASTY. 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabuddha
Phil, i'm totally agreeing with you. I've seen wave after wave of younger tourists buying up the newly cleaned-up homes of those who went through the
slime and sorrows 3,4, and 5 times, finally to give up, because all their time is spent on vacation cleaning up the mess.
As Sly and the Family Stone sang, some (ahem)years ago. "when is mud thicker than the blood?" |
This is the best description of what we have gone through. Those who chide us for "rebuilding" are doing that just to try and make us look stupid.
"Rebuilding" is NOT what we do!!! Those who lost their homes entirely did NOT rebuild. THAT would be stupid.
So, you have a home that has been ravaged by a flood but is still standing and for the most part, still intact. What they require is a thorough clean
up. There are many locals who want the work, need the work and are happy to do it...at local wages. It is a win/win for everyone.
Since Hurricane John, in 2006, we either move all furniture and appliances upstairs or we have someone move them to higher ground. Boats and vehicles
get moved too. Mulege has many trusted families that will do this for you. My "family" had a set of keys. They did this for me. They also did not need
me to contact them (communications are down for a few days anyway). They just go in and start to work, knowing that I am good for it as soon as I can
get there.
They start by emptying the mud out, one wheelbarrow at a time. Then they thoroughly wash it out and disinfect everything with bleach. This is done
quickly so that mold does not set in. Most walls are brick and plaster and/or stucco. Wood has to be refinished. Depending on the force of the surge,
sometimes windows and doors need to be repaired and occasionally replaced.
What you have is an investment that is well worth repairing. Again...NOT "rebuilding"!
And it is true, after four or five of these, we get damn tired of it. It consumes our "vacation" time when we could be out fishing. We also get older.
Most have moved on and been replaced by new people. There are certainly some good deals to be had.
I sold mine a couple of years ago for less than half of what I had ultimately invested in it. I gave full disclosure and the new owner gives me happy
feedback regularly. Since he bought it there has been no flooding. Hopefully, he can enjoy several flood free years.
The Hurricanes usually strike around the end of August or the beginning of September. This year looks like a hot and active storm year. We should know
soon how well the "Diversion" works.
Good luck to all! I really enjoyed my time there in spite of the floods, and I miss my friends. Of course, no floods would have been better.
Tony
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Living on the water is a special thing. I've relocated down south on a bayou, house located about 150' from the water, has survived every hurricane,
including Katrina, and its 40+ yrs. old. Storm surge has reached the front door steps, but never the house itself. The Mexican govt. once had a sign
down along the Mulege river advising people not to build there.
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So most here are saying that mother nature peees only on Mulege?. If that's the case I will live anywhere in the world but Mulege than..........
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bajabuddha
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I can testify along with Toneart, that living on the Estrero is exceptionally magical... until the fecal material strikes the rotary oscillator. Had
friends buy the most inland waterfront house in the Oasis in the latter '90s, they stayed there for 3-4 years full-time. I was still beach camping on
the Bay, but spent many an evening there in their guest room.
In 2002 their health grounded them in Washington. They had to sell, but sales were very slow at that time. Spring of 2003 they asked me and my
(future 2nd x-) wife to check on their property. They were told it would be sold by management. Nothing was done, so we moved in for 2 weeks and
cleaned up the place, packed their belongings, and made it look to be a turn-key place instead of 'somebody still lives here'. Even posted FOR SALE
signs that nobody had bothered to do yet.
That fall I visited them at home up north, and they were in BAD shape. I offered to get all their personal belongings back home; they had 5 kids
between them, but of course, their lives were more important than mom n' dad's, and I was just 'on the road again' ... again.... anyway, dead-headed
down (11 years ago next week!), 2nd week in August, and spent 3 days by myself packing their stuff. Hottest, most miserable I'd ever been in my life,
including southeast Asia (not to mention a battle with a wasp's nest).
I took all their personal belongings home to them, and less than a month later, Hurricane Marty hit, and filled their house with a foot of mud. Marty
was the first of 5 or 6 in the next 8 years. Their home was blasted, landscaping (immaculate) destroyed, and they were forced to sell at a HUGE loss,
and at a time when their health was bad, and finances as well.
Guess my point is, Caca Occurs. NEVER invest in Mexico what you cannot walk away from, especially in a floodplain. I still see that house every time
I drive out either side of the Estrero. I remember the magic, the evenings on the porch with hummingbirds, the old Blue Heron that owned the upper
end of the li'l island. Seen new owners buy, build, and have their front yard washed away again, and again. Beautiful now, high priced.
Fixer-upper, what a deal.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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I have been coming to Mulege, every year since 1972, 3-4 weeks every year, the fishing was great.
I moved there upon retiring in 1994, and build my house on Loma Azul, overlooking the river, but pretty high up.
The problem with most people that "lost" or "rebuild" has to do that, that area was never intendet for permanent homes, they were trailer parks, that
people came with they trailers, spent time, had a good time and left.
Jorges park was the early ones, right about under the bridge, the Orchard, Oasis, Villa Maria were others that people started to build solid homes.
After more than 40 years without floods nobody knew or cared.
The river got siltier and shallower.
Then we had the first of several tropical storms, and homes on the river banks got damaged and some washed away.
Jimena was the worst, and many people did not come back, and or did not re build.
In other words, we all know that location, location is the key word.
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....wow,,,good to get the historical perspective.
....I know and love that oasis called Mulege,,,have certainly thought of,,dreamed of claiming a spot there myself. To realize how long things went
without a major waterflow event makes one wonder what,why things have changed.
....I have always loved the people of Baja...it has always struck me that once past the bordertowns,,one rarely sees 'shifty-eyes' anywhere. To stay
near and connect with a smaller waterfront community is a treat,,,but I always wondered why the folks didn't make more of their homes,,,but guessed
the simplicity of their lives didn't allow for such luxuries.....then I saw one of those clapboard villiages get blown-away,,,,and how the villiagers
simply,literally gathered up the pieces and rebuilt their lives........
.... A very clear lesson in the value of living close to the earth. 
.....'Buddha's' got it...much like going to a casino---'' NEVER invest in Mexico what you cannot walk away from '' ...or perhaps a home on
wheels,,,maybe a shack,,some tarps,, a palapa.
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Micah, since Jimena, the river 're-building' areas, especially the Orchard, has been leaning from the Tropical Dream Home to a palapa-roofed pad for
trailers. Friends bought in there a few years back, and that's their set-up. They were pooh-poohed by their rich-biatch neighbors, kind of like
putting a mobile home in a site-built neighborhood... but now, folks are wising up to it. Toneart had said his 'family' down there would come and
move the downstairs stuff up a level if a storm threatened; one could have the same thing with a trailer, or just put it in storage on high ground for
the summer. I also understand the riverfront lots of the Orchard that were totally scoured by Jimena are all 'pad-only' permits to build (just rumor
mill, may be mistaken).
You can still have your cake and eat it too, but just use the 6 - 'P's... Prior Planning Prevents P*ss Poor Performance. The pictures in the
Laundromat are 50 years old of Mulege under water. A lot of people have washed their clothes there.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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we still live in the oasis park in mulege, right on the river, and love it!...we have experienced 4 floodings in 8 years, i think....just cleaned up
the mess and went on enjoying....we now have a couple of families that have keys to our house, shop, vehicles etc and they move everything to high
ground when threatened with a flood....that's just the way it is.....it's a small price to pay for living in paradise.....and my bride says it weeds
out the weak.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
we still live in the oasis park in mulege, right on the river, and love it!...we have experienced 4 floodings in 8 years, i think....just cleaned up
the mess and went on enjoying....we now have a couple of families that have keys to our house, shop, vehicles etc and they move everything to high
ground when threatened with a flood....that's just the way it is.....it's a small price to pay for living in paradise.....and my bride says it weeds
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.....yep---many ways to peel an onion! 
...haven't seen the laundro-pics,,,but that would certainly be smart warning,,,,,,,and missed appropriately by those who don't visit-before-buying!
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mulegemichael
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YUP!....take heed!....not for the weak of knee, to say the least...ummmmmm.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
YUP!....take heed!....not for the weak of knee, to say the least...ummmmmm. |
....definitely the -last- place to buy or build your dream
.......shouldn't take much more and I should be able to grab something CHEAP!
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Lots of CHEAP houses in Detroit, if cheap is whats most important to you. Mulege people, the ones that have chosen to clean up after the floods and
stay, do it because they love their town. It gets tougher as we get older, and some of us have moved to higher ground. The ones on the river, as has
been pointed out here have got it figured out....
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It is called a ``wash and wear`` casa.
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Win-Win? more like lose - win.
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabuddha
Phil, i'm totally agreeing with you. I've seen wave after wave of younger tourists buying up the newly cleaned-up homes of those who went through the
slime and sorrows 3,4, and 5 times, finally to give up, because all their time is spent on vacation cleaning up the mess.
As Sly and the Family Stone sang, some (ahem)years ago. "when is mud thicker than the blood?" |
This is the best description of what we have gone through. Those who chide us for "rebuilding" are doing that just to try and make us look stupid.
"Rebuilding" is NOT what we do!!! Those who lost their homes entirely did NOT rebuild. THAT would be stupid.
So, you have a home that has been ravaged by a flood but is still standing and for the most part, still intact. What they require is a thorough clean
up. There are many locals who want the work, need the work and are happy to do it...at local wages. It is a win/win for everyone.
Since Hurricane John, in 2006, we either move all furniture and appliances upstairs or we have someone move them to higher ground. Boats and vehicles
get moved too. Mulege has many trusted families that will do this for you. My "family" had a set of keys. They did this for me. They also did not need
me to contact them (communications are down for a few days anyway). They just go in and start to work, knowing that I am good for it as soon as I can
get there.
They start by emptying the mud out, one wheelbarrow at a time. Then they thoroughly wash it out and disinfect everything with bleach. This is done
quickly so that mold does not set in. Most walls are brick and plaster and/or stucco. Wood has to be refinished. Depending on the force of the surge,
sometimes windows and doors need to be repaired and occasionally replaced.
What you have is an investment that is well worth repairing. Again...NOT "rebuilding"!
And it is true, after four or five of these, we get damn tired of it. It consumes our "vacation" time when we could be out fishing. We also get older.
Most have moved on and been replaced by new people. There are certainly some good deals to be had.
I sold mine a couple of years ago for less than half of what I had ultimately invested in it. I gave full disclosure and the new owner gives me happy
feedback regularly. Since he bought it there has been no flooding. Hopefully, he can enjoy several flood free years.
The Hurricanes usually strike around the end of August or the beginning of September. This year looks like a hot and active storm year. We should know
soon how well the "Diversion" works.
Good luck to all! I really enjoyed my time there in spite of the floods, and I miss my friends. Of course, no floods would have been better.
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Tony; we love ya man!....we'll try to "weather on" without you but it would be much sweeter with that jazzy horn of yours...consider sitting in at
purple haze someday; we have world class bands...m.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mulegemichael
Tony; we love ya man!....we'll try to "weather on" without you but it would be much sweeter with that jazzy horn of yours...consider sitting in at
purple haze someday; we have world class bands...m. |
Good to hear from you, Michael! I will come there someday to blow a few tunes. Say "hello" to everyone including Purple Haze Roz. By the way, I have
been growing a patch of Lavender here in Grass Vally, CA.
See?... I can toot my own purple horn.  
Tony
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