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elgatoloco
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We have been really lucky I guess. Our F-250 has 310,000 miles with fair amount of off road / camper / 4x / Baja / desert / mountain / highway and
only BFG since the start. Still waiting to be disappointed. Let you know when that happens. 
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chippy
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Man thats some great mileage- I donīt think Iīve ever gotten more than 299,000 out of any set of tires.
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I think we may have to start looking in to driver failure as a possibility in some cases 
So far nothing that convincing. Now I can understand a bad production run, Possibly what Doug was talking about ? Firestone ring a bell ?
You'll have to pry my BFG KM2s from my cold dead hands 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chippy
Man thats some great mileage- I donīt think Iīve ever gotten more than 299,000 out of any set of tires. |
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Tomas Tierra
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
I won't use BFG All-Terrain's. Had a sidewall blowout on the Laguna San Ignacio road, and didn't see any obvious reason for it. Also knowing of a
widespread BFG issue at a SCORE race out of Mexicali (now, many-many years ago), I chose personally to look elsewhere for tires. After trying out a
set of Bridgestone Duelers, I've never looked back. The Bridgestone Duelers have been reliable and tough through many sets - for over 15 years now.
Of note: the Bridgestone Duelers have been for a Toyota Tacoma. The BFG blowout was on an earlier model Toyota 4WD pickup. |
Oh Doug, your just another BFG hater aren't you?
Thanks for your fearless post of another actual witnessed sidewall fail. There are many more I have heard about (but hearsay is not admissible here,
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Ok, there's two cases, still wouldn't call that repeated.. Would you?
Not hating on you dude, just want you to back up your claims so you don't look like such a blowhard.. Just giving you that chance that's all.. Take it
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How many times do I need to repeat myself Tomas? I was in a truck in 2001 and again in 2014 with new All Terrain TAs that had a sidewall failure.
That's 2. Doug just posted of one, total 3.
Now, if others are not afraid of your repeated questioning of this matter, they may come forward? There is no doubt that BFG has the most popular
tire, that it is great for MOST people. I just think they use their 3 ply sidewall as a selling feature and that does not make the tire invulnerable
to sidewall damage, so be warned. I see MANY BFGs along the side of roads with sidewall rips.
No hate, nothing made up, just observations, ie. science.
Do you hate Toyo, Cooper, Hankook, GoodYear, Yokohama, Bridgestone? Because you don't talk positive about them, I am wondering? The point is, tires
are supposed to be good, so posts about good tires don't really add to the knowledge base. However, when a tire fails, it is good to report either to
save others from disappointment or so the word gets back to the manufacturer to IMPROVE the product. |
Sorry dood.. Still at 2... That picture you keep posting from up on the Mesa was driver error disclaimed.. Remember?
Of course I don't hate those other tires.. I don't post about them cuz I don't post here much anymore... And, they are not even on my radar..
Hate is reserved for the Kelly Safari AT.. 5 flats on one trip through the "Catavina area".. Switched to the Big F%#@ing Guns after that and haven't
even thought about tires since... Until your infinite experience decided BFG were having "repeated sidewall failure". I get passionate about things I
truly believe in, that's all
Look forward to this thread seeing its way through.. I think the good testimonials are far outweighing any real issues you are conjuring.. And I would
hazzard a guess that most BFG faithful wouldn't even bother posting on this... I mean why? Any Baja person knows
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Tomas Tierra
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Btw DK, unless you have more real info on this, I'm kinda done with our little debate.. No hard feelings, just wearing my passion on my keypad.. Happy
and safe travels! If I see you on the dirt road with a flat, I'll stop and help... On the pavement? On your own
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What I know about my off road tires.
My off road in Baja driving is probably rated as extreme.
The BFG AT would not be my choice due to flimsy sidewall. However in the Jeep club in San Felipe that is the tire most all of them choose. They creep
along slowly and are careful of tire placement
I use that tire on by Superduty F350 and have no issues, but it seldom travels on the rocky Baja trails. I like the soft ride, good tire mileage &
excellent traction. IMO its an OK choice for very light duty off road use, but not the rocky Baja race tracks. The typical Baja cactus, rock, &
sticks will be the downfall for the AT's
My SF Bronco uses BFG Baja tires and I have lost count on how many have flatted due to sticks & cactus thru the sidewall. I usually plug them and
keep on driving. However I remember several the were ruined because the sticks were big. I replace the tire if the hole needs more than 5 plugs. For
sure this tire is heavy duty with 4 plys nylon sidewalls and the old mud style tread. It would not be an acceptable tire for a daily driver. I use
them because I got them free as compensation for what I do for them off road.
Another hard core rig has BFG Krawlers. Fatter than the Baja's and much heavier with the same 4 ply nylon sidewalls. It would not be an acceptable
tire for a daily driver. Its just a tough off road tire. way expensive.
So what a guy to use?
The BFG KM2 is a mud terrain and has 30% stronger sidewalls than a KO and the cost reflects the better construction. It has the Krawler mud tread
design which most guys like very much. This tire should be a good all around daily driver tire and still be reliable in Baja. The mud style tread is
lumpy at slow speeds, but smooths out above 20MPH. Recommended for youall.
Then I have another hard core rig and it has Goodyear MTRs without kevlar. Typically they come in tiny sizes on new Jeeps. Mud style tread and very
strong sidewalls. Excellent wear. Never had a flat so far after 22k miles. Ride on the highway is actually quite good if the balance can be
accomplished. Buy from the Goodyear dealer and do not accept out of balance ones.
For more money Goodyear has the MTR kevlar sidewall and a new directional tread design that should be daily driver friendly. Way good for Baja rocky
trails. Probably has the strongest sidewall I know of. Guys using them report smooth feel at all speeds. Also recommended for youall.
IMO these two Goodyears tires are being overlooked and offer a big improvement over similar BFG tires especially for the sidewall reliability.
PW
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tomas Tierra
Please post your number of, and reason for failure, on your BFG TA KO tires in Baja.
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David K
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Yup Tomas, no hard feelings... and as others come forward (if they don't mind getting flamed) you will hear that BFG All Terrains are not fail
proof... and that is all I am pointing out. Just like Tacomas are not fail proof...
So far the count is 4: Me 2, Doug 1, Paul 1. Anyone else have a All Terrain TA sidewall or other failure (flat)?
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Yes.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
Yes. |
So that makes the count 5 ???
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chuckie
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If there were 4 be4ore, then that makes 5...
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I have had these tires on my f250 295/75 r16(i think). They have been great for 150,000 miles. San Francisquito x3, Punta Falsa(x 100),
Labocana(x100) fully loaded or towing the Grady White.
The biggest road test for any tire - TIJUANA(mariano,el florido, dorado, presidente, los pinos)
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I hate to be responsible for rekindling this thread... Some gear head once explained the merits of the LT rating of the BFG All Terrain tire versus
most other truck tires rated with a P... (P=passenger car & smaller SUV's for a softer ride..LT=light truck & has more sidewall strength
etc..)
e.g. LT275/65R18 vs P275/65R18
Then there is the load range rating to consider..
I'm giving the LTX AT2's that just came stock on the Tundra a fair shake... My experience has been that the BFG's are a great tire though!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bichito
I hate to be responsible for rekindling this thread... Some gear head once explained the merits of the LT rating of the BFG All Terrain tire versus
most other truck tires rated with a P... (P=passenger car & smaller SUV's for a softer ride..LT=light truck & has more sidewall strength
etc..)
e.g. LT275/65R18 vs P275/65R18
Then there is the load range rating to consider..
I'm giving the LTX AT2's that just came stock on the Tundra a fair shake... My experience has been that the BFG's are a great tire though!
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You will be testing them out shortly on 100 miles of washboard, dirt, and sand. Oh, and maybe some salt flats. Get her up to 80 MPH on those flats
to save time. Have fun, you bastard. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bichito
I hate to be responsible for rekindling this thread... Some gear head once explained the merits of the LT rating of the BFG All Terrain tire versus
most other truck tires rated with a P... (P=passenger car & smaller SUV's for a softer ride..LT=light truck & has more sidewall strength
etc..)
e.g. LT275/65R18 vs P275/65R18
Then there is the load range rating to consider..
I'm giving the LTX AT2's that just came stock on the Tundra a fair shake... My experience has been that the BFG's are a great tire though!
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You will be testing them out shortly on 100 miles of washboard, dirt, and sand. Oh, and maybe some salt flats. Get her up to 80 MPH on those flats
to save time. Have fun, you bastard. |
Ahhh... You guys are gonna have a blast too! I want one of your trip reports... I'm too lame to put one together.
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I was changing tires on one of our larger trucks at a local shop here in Az and much to my surprise I saw what appeared to be BFG KM2's with the tread
separating from the carcase. Sure enough it was, but on closer inspection it was a retread copy of a BFG KM2 laminated to a BFG KO carcase.
Crappy retread job but the BFG KO sidewalls were surviving the reincarnation .
I still believe that many sidewall failures can be attributed to operator error.
[Edited on 8-10-2014 by BajaRat]
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rts551
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now, who we going to blame that on?
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Some politician or labor union, Lord forbid the recapper....
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No way that was a union shop recap in Arizona.
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