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campaign against the Seris
photo from the book "Unknown Island: Seri Indians, Europeans, and San Esteban Island in the Gulf of California" by Thomas Bowen.
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I love their Ironwood carvings---------I have a bunch that I bought in the '60's in Mexicali-------outstanding workmanship and artistry!!!
Lots of "knock-offs" now, so you have to be really careful what you buy.
Barry
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you can just tell those Seri women were trouble makers! 
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Those were the only one's they could catch-----the Seri were a real pain to the local Mexicanos, and something HAD to be done!!! You should look up
the history--------it's fascinating!! rivals the Apache and the Yaqui, as I recall.
Barry
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There was a book published by the University of Arizona and they studied the Seri very closely in the 40's. They witnessed three men who went out and
played a deer in the desert with nothing but knives. Seems they found a deer out in the desert and then one would pop up out of hiding and as soon as
the deer started to move that one would go back into hiding while another showed himself. This went on for up to 3 or 4 hours until the deer was so
confused that one of the indians slid up behind him and cut the throat.
They were a very formidable part of Pancho Villa's force during the revolution.
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very interesting,, any names of the books about their history
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Bad times for the Seri. Reminds one of Wounded Knee. Lots of skeletons in the closet.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Many years ago when I returned to college, I took an anthropology class from Dr. Bowen and this was his area of expertise --- his research covered
years and years of study.
Unknown Island: Seri Indians, Europeans, and San Esteban Island in the Gulf of California (University of Arizona Southwest Center series)
http://www.amazon.com/Unknown-Island-Europeans-California-Un...
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Those were the only one's they could catch-----the Seri were a real pain to the local Mexicanos, and something HAD to be done!!! You should look up
the history--------it's fascinating!! rivals the Apache and the Yaqui, as I recall.
Barry |
Don't you think there were very good reasons these peoples were "a real pain"? 
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thank you DianaT,, I think I will buy the book
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| Quote: Originally posted by DianaT |
Many years ago when I returned to college, I took an anthropology class from Dr. Bowen and this was his area of expertise --- his research covered
years and years of study.
Unknown Island: Seri Indians, Europeans, and San Esteban Island in the Gulf of California (University of Arizona Southwest Center series)
http://www.amazon.com/Unknown-Island-Europeans-California-Un...
| Quote: Originally posted by Barry A. |
Those were the only one's they could catch-----the Seri were a real pain to the local Mexicanos, and something HAD to be done!!! You should look up
the history--------it's fascinating!! rivals the Apache and the Yaqui, as I recall.
Barry |
Don't you think there were very good reasons these peoples were "a real pain"? |
ABSOLUTELY, Diana, but there are also "very good reasons" why the Mexicano's and the Govt. reacted to them the way they did. As usual, it's the
escalation of atrocities and illegal acts on both sides that result in violent behavior---------a given. It's a man-kind thing!!
I am just always amazed that some feel compelled to point out the obvious, and then get all upset about it, and cry for reparations which just
prolongs the bad feelings all around, and perpetuates the prejudices. Stuff happens, and it is best to get on with life and let the past remain in
the "past" as history, and learn from it, I believe.
Barry
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Hello, Diana T. These photos do indeed come from the Thomas Bowen book, "Unknown Island." A great read.
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[rquote=955391&tid=76979&author=]Hello, Diana T. These photos do indeed come from the Thomas Bowen book, "Unknown Island." A great
read.[/rquote]
If I had looked at the original post well I would have seen the credit to Thomas Bowen. I guess I was just too interested in the photos. 
Dr. Bowen was a good teacher even while his heart was with his research and the Seri people. He had a realistic view of anthropology and is the one
who recommended that we read "Motel of the Mysteries" which I still enjoy.
Barry, I just can't agree with stuff happens and move on. I see it in a totally different light.
[Edited on 12-31-2014 by DianaT]
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Yayyyy---------Diana's post worked!!!!
I know Diana that you see some things quite differently then I do---------this is THE MAIN PROBLEM between conservatives and progressives, I
believe----------we just key into different perspectives and mind sets----------- I don't pretend to know which is best, but I do know that much of
what progressives say just does not compute with me.
Makes life very interesting. 
Barry
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Don't get the assumption that "something had to be done" Maybe Barry A can educate me.
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It's been a long time since I studied the Seri, but as I recall the Seri were stealing the Mexican rancho stock, etc. and the Rancheros complained
bitterly to the Authorities to "do something". As I said before, it was a similar situation with the Yaqui and the Apache--------all were
aggressively moved against by the Mexican Authorities, but all three had geographical localities that they retreated to which were extremely difficult
to penetrate effectively. Thus, large scale maneuvers were conducted against all 3 ethnic groups with the hopes of devastating them into submission,
with some success. The Seri, being by far the smallest and most concentrated of the ethnic groups, were hurt the worse by these campaigns, and almost
wiped out.
This is from my memory, but it has been 57 years since I studied these matters in College, so I may have some of it wrong or mixed up here. 
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During the periods of Revolution in Mexico the Seri went from being the big heroes because they would sign up and go into the desert to fight as long
as they got paid to the aggressors because they would raid the rancheros and big settlements. But that was not too far different from what the people
like Villa and others were doing. It all seemed to be tied in to who was in power. If you wanted to overthrow the big landowners and politically
powerful people what better way to do it than by revolution. However, as with all revolutions (except the American Revolution) no ones life was
really made any better or improved, there was basically just a change of power.
This is all complicated by the cultural issue where the level of achievement was pretty much dictated by your color of skin and heritage. The Spanish
were pretty much the ruling class, followed by the Mestizos, and the bottom rung was brought up by the indian culture. Following the revolution
where they started building schools and trying to educate the population, the indian areas were pretty much ignored.
In the late 60's and early 70's I got to spend quite a bit of time with the Seri especially in the area of Desemboque and Libertad. Very few could
speak spanish and they were not educated in a school sense, but were very wise in the ways of the ocean and desert. They had always used broken
bottles and shark skin to fishing the ironwood carvings but I brought large packages of sandpaper which they thought was a marvelous invention and
most of my ironwood collection was traded for sandpaper.
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Thank you Barry A and Pescador. Thanks especially to Pescador , for sharing the personal experience. Good stuff.
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Excellent and interesting input, Pescador.
Many thanks.
Barry
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