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bajagrouper
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Last year I drove across at Chaparral got an FMM and asked about a TIP and was told I could not even get one there at that office, I would have to
drive to La Paz to get one. As a tourist you do not need a TIP for Baja California, BCS and as far south to KM 98 in Sonora and is called the "no
hassle zone"......
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shari
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Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  | | I would guess that was/is more of a suggestion on Leons part than anything else...I too have known Leon for many years. He is an honest man who always
goes out of his way to help out.... |
I wonder if someone could actually confirm that Leon is forcing people to go to Sta.Rosalia and do this...or merely suggesting it? i think it would be
wise for someone there to talk to him and get the real story as this may deter some folks from staying with him.
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cliffh
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After 1 to 2 trips a year since 1974, I have never been asked for anything but dr. lic. and registration. Never once imm. status., when stopped by
state or local cops. Has anyone? 2 years ago going through Ciudad Const. by mistake I gave state police my Perma. card instead of dr. lic., in
perfect english officer said no your dr. lic.
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gnukid
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There is a misunderstanding, which is understandable. People from the National territory may be familiar with rules for the Nacional region and not
understand that a SAT Aduana laws differ by legal region, for example, Nacional, Franja, Fronteriza.
Mexico is a very large country with distinct geographic and legal regions, for this discussion here is SAT aduanas legal definition of Fronteriza
below- includes Baja Norte and Baja Sur and differs from territory Nacional and Franja.
http://www.sat.gob.mx/aduanas/vehiculos/Paginas/default.aspx
http://www.sat.gob.mx/aduanas/pasajeros/Paginas/Franja_regio...
http://www.sat.gob.mx/aduanas/importando_exportando/guia_imp...
http://www.sat.gob.mx/informacion_fiscal/normatividad/Docume...
Aduana applies with importation rules by region and situation. For example many Nomads are familiar with Maneje de Casa which provides transport of
your merchandise free from taxes. Foreigners including touristas, residente temporal and permanente and their legal foreign plated vehicle used for
international travel are free from temporary vehicle importation taxes to Fronteriza (Baja Norte and Baja Sur). No permit process is required.
It is possible to go to Baja and go to Aduana in Santa Rosalia or other ports, by mail or on line and pay for a Temporary Vehicle Importation permit
to apply for import transport from Baja to the National territory and return. Vehicles that go internationally to Baja from USA and Canada are free
from temporary vehicle importation taxes or formal permit. There is no formal process to Temporarily Import the international vehicle to Baja Norte or
Baja Sur. The vehicle can not be sold. Permanent importation rules apply which is a different discussion.
There is no law written by Aduana or any other authority that requires permit or tax paid to transit vehicles to Baja that are legal plated
international vehicles for legal visitors with valid FMM or residency nor is a restrictive period defined to Fronteriza (Baja), the absence of a law,
means there is no restriction.
Vehicle must have all original safety features, and be legally plated and registered and driver must have legal drivers license from their home and
have legal travel permit FMM or residency. Drivers must conform to local transit rules.
As a Californian, it is possible to register your vehicle to your (vacation) Baja home address and the CA DMV also accepts Baja insurance for the
vehicle.
There is a legal concept of reciprocation. Expect to see continued assimilation and congruence of transit laws for bordering regions.
[Edited on 7-28-2016 by gnukid]
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Wally
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http://www.mexperience.com/bringing-foreign-plated-cars-into...
LIVING, MEXICO ESSENTIALS, TRANSPORTATION
Published on May 30, 2016
Bringing Foreign-Plated Cars Into Mexico
by Mexperience
Bridge Crossing between Mexico and the USA
Since the introduction of Mexico’s reformed immigration law in 2012, the rules concerning the import of foreign-plated vehicles changed. For
temporary visitors (tourists) and temporary residents, procedures remain straightforward; however, a significant change is that permanent residents
are no longer allowed to drive a foreign-plated car into Mexico using a ‘TIP’. Here are the details:
Get Your Vehicle Permits at the Border
With the exceptions for the states of Sonora and the Baja Peninsula (see notes below) if you plan to drive a foreign-plated vehicle beyond the ~25 km
“free zone” you will need a Temporary Import Permit (TIP) and you must get this at the border. They are not available at interior checkpoints.
Visitors Entering Mexico Using FMM (Tourist Permits)
If you are visiting Mexico on a tourist permit, you can import your foreign-plated vehicle to Mexico, but you must export it again before the permit
expires. FMM permits last for a maximum of 180 days (6 months) and cannot be renewed or extended beyond this time period.
Entering Mexico with a Residente Temporal Permit
Holders of Residente Temporal (with or without work privileges) and Residente Temporal Estudiante may import their car to Mexico using a Temporary
Import Permit (TIP). The vehicle will remain legal in Mexico for so long as the resident permit remains current. Fore details about residency
permits, see our Mexico Immigration page.
Entering Mexico with a Residente Permanente Permit
If you are carrying a Residente Permanente permit, you will not be allowed to bring your foreign-plated car into Mexico on a Temporary Import
Permit (TIP)– whether the resident permit is for non-lucrative or lucrative purposes. However, you can go through a process to permanently
import the car. If you want to formally import your car, we recommend you hire a customs agent to do this.
Expats with Permanent Residency Status and Cars in Mexico
If you have a foreign plated car in Mexico now, and you have an (old) FM2 or if you change your immigration status from Residente Temporal to
Residente Permanente you will need to make some choices about what do to with your foreign-plated vehicle, for example:
Export the car permanently – Take the car out of Mexico (crossing the border into the US or Belize) – see also “Safe Return” procedure, below.
Export and then re-import the car using a Customs Broker – If you want to keep your car, there is a process to legally import the car by paying the
relevant duties and import taxes. You’ll need a customs broker to assist you with this process. The name of the person with the Residente Permante
permit will need to have clear title to the vehicle (no liens or encumbrances; and no leased vehicles) – see also “Safe Return” procedure, below.
Export the car and sell it to a person with a Residente Temporal permit – If you know a foreigner with a Residente Temporal permit who wants to buy
your car, you can export it, sell it to them, and they can re-import it using their Residente Temporal permit.
Export the car by sea – In some circumstances, export of your car on a sea vessel might be a viable option. You’ll need a customs broker to help you
with the process. As a rule of thumb, shipping fees to the US range from $1,000-$1,500, which might be worth it especially if your vehicle is new
and/or particularly valuable.
If your vehicle is currently “illegal” (or will become illegal when you switch from Residente Temporal to Residente Permanente), and you want to take
the car out of the country, you can apply for a “Retorno Seguro” permit from SAT, which gives you five days to drive the car out of the country (to
the US or to Belize).
Rules for Sonora, Baja California, and Baja California Sur
Sonora Free ZoneSonora: There is no need for a vehicle permit if you plan to use you car within the State of Sonora’s “Free Zone” which includes the
popular cities of Agua Prieta, Bahia de Kino, Caborca, Guaymas, Hermosillo, Magdalena, Nogales, Puerto Peñasco, San Carlos, and Santa Ana (green area
on map, click/tap here for full size version). If you plan to travel outside of the Free Zone and remain within the state you can get a “Sonora Only”
permit.
Baja Peninsula: Foreign-plated vehicles driven into the states of Baja California and Baja California Sur do not require an import permit. Your US or
Canadian car plates must be valid and any stickers must be kept current while the vehicle is on the Baja peninsula. If you take your car from La Paz
to the Mexican mainland (by ferry) you will need be subject to the car import rules described above.
Entry and Exit Ports
When your foreign-plated vehicle has a TIP, you don’t necessarily have to exit Mexico through the same port you entered. For example, you can import
the car at the US border and export it through Belize, or you could enter through Nogales and exit through Laredo, etc.
Lost / Stolen / Abandoned Foreign-Plated Vehicles
If your foreign-plated car is stolen in Mexico, you’ll have to pay Aduana (Mexican Customs) 40% tax on the car’s value. This rule was brought-in some
while ago to discourage foreigners from dumping their cars and telling Aduana it was stolen. While the authorities cannot prevent you from leaving if
you don’t pay the tax, failure to do so will forfeit your rights to import any other foreign-plated vehicle to Mexico in future. If you want to get
rid of your car, there is a procedure whereby you can “donate” it to Mexican Customs; you can find more information about that here on the Aduana web
site.
See Also: Driving in Mexico
TOPICS:
Living Mexico Essentials Transportation
LEARN MORE ABOUT :
Driving in Mexico Mexican Visas Mexico Immigration
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gnukid
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As noted in the promotional advertisement Wally posted, SAT Aduana Vehicle TIP does not apply to Fronteriza, Baja Norte or Baja California Sur. PR and
TR and FMM travelers are allowed use legal foreign plated vehicles in Baja.
It is clear that Permanent Residents may not get a TIP for foreign plated vehicle to travel through the National Territory via Ferry (exceptions may
apply for mixed RP/TR couples), PR are legal to drive legal foreign plated vehicles with legal drivers license in Fronteriza (Baja).
"Baja Peninsula: Foreign-plated vehicles driven into the states of Baja California and Baja California Sur do not require an import permit. Your US or
Canadian car plates must be valid and any stickers must be kept current while the vehicle is on the Baja peninsula. If you take your car from La Paz
to the Mexican mainland (by ferry) you will need be subject to the car import rules described above."
[Edited on 7-29-2016 by gnukid]
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Wally
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gnukid
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Wally Got your number
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Wally
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What you "got" is brain damage.
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gnukid
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Wally, Reviewing your past posting history, you (and JC43) have posted incorrect and misleading information in the past about foreigners legally
driving in Baja (Fronteriza). Now you and JC43 are posting here again, JC43 is insisting completely incorrectly that foreigners need a TIP for Baja
which could not be further from the truth.
You reposted from a site that is not a news site or government SAT or Aduana site but is a promotional advertisement site for services and bolded a
portion of the article that was misleading within this context for foreigners in Baja (Fronteriza), again.
Clearly, you and JC43 are either intentionally misleading and go out of your way to do so here and or you are being foolish.
It is also apparent from your postings that you do visit Baja and are well aware that no foreigners are under any threat of losing their right to
drive their US plated cars in Baja including PR/TR and FMM drivers. All the while you and JC43 write here that they are restricted from doing so
incorrectly.
No TIP is required for Baja (froteriza) nor the free zone on mainland. In fact tens of thousands do so daily legally and you are certainly aware. It
is clearly their right to do so and makes sense.
So which is it? Is it a game to mislead people? Please explain why you are so invested in misleading people with incorrect information and wasting
nomads time with insults as well?
[Edited on 7-30-2016 by gnukid]
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Alm
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajagrouper | | Last year I drove across at Chaparral got an FMM and asked about a TIP and was told I could not even get one there at that office, I would have to
drive to La Paz to get one. |
Confirms (about the only) truth in the OP post: aduana in this office don't have the capability. I would "think" the reason (that they were not given
this capability) is that vehicle TIPs are not required in Baja. Makes sense to me.
All other statements by the OP - not so much.
All vehicles in Mulege Oasis Camp forced to get TIPs, and the camp owner assisting in this... Hm... Why only Oasis, why only Mulege, why no firsthand
reports from Mulege residents, why STILL no enforcement right at the border? Please don't try to answer, consider it rhetoric questions.
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Pescador
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You can only get a TIP at La Paz when you go on the Ferry, and that is because it is required when you land. This has been much ado about nothing,
but is typical of the fear mongering which goes on with un-informed people. This was hashed out on Gringo Gazette as well and it turned out it was a
registration problem not an importation problem. At this point BC and BCS do not require nor is a TIP available.
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Wally
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Wally, Reviewing your past posting history, you (and JC43) have posted incorrect and misleading information in the past about foreigners legally
driving in Baja (Fronteriza). Now you and JC43 are posting here again, JC43 is insisting completely incorrectly that foreigners need a TIP for Baja
which could not be further from the truth.
You reposted from a site that is not a news site or government SAT or Aduana site but is a promotional advertisement site for services and bolded a
portion of the article that was misleading within this context for foreigners in Baja (Fronteriza), again.
Clearly, you and JC43 are either intentionally misleading and go out of your way to do so here and or you are being foolish.
It is also apparent from your postings that you do visit Baja and are well aware that no foreigners are under any threat of losing their right to
drive their US plated cars in Baja including PR/TR and FMM drivers. All the while you and JC43 write here that they are restricted from doing so
incorrectly.
No TIP is required for Baja (froteriza) nor the free zone on mainland. In fact tens of thousands do so daily legally and you are certainly aware. It
is clearly their right to do so and makes sense.
So which is it? Is it a game to mislead people? Please explain why you are so invested in misleading people with incorrect information and wasting
nomads time with insults as well?
[Edited on 7-30-2016 by gnukid] |
What are you talking about?
You already said what I posted was correct information for the peninsula.
Bless your heart. Now it's time to stop boring everyone else.
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willyAirstream
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But more that that, Iknow from the owner of the Oasis Park, Leon Nolet, in Mulege that he was enforcing temporary importation of every vehicle in his
park. Residents had to drive to Santa Rosalia, go the customs office, filing for temporary importation, filling out documents, giving the customs
agent a ride to Mulege > and back of course < that the agent could look at the object and put some sticker on it. And pay for !! How is that
possible without a law??????? Give yourself the answer.
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I just ran into Leon in town and asked him about this. His answer `` total b u l l s h i t``
When the law came out that PR needed mex plates, a meeting was held at the jungle and SAT and IMM gave a brief talk. We were told that the law would
not be enforced until it was revised to accommodate snowbirds, by jan 2016. The law has not .changed, nor is it being enforced. PR need to be driving
imported cars by law.
Btw, Leon goes out of his way to help anybody, in Mulege, not just the Oasis. He serves as translator, gives advice on who to contact for specific
problems etc, all for free.
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chuckie
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Right on...Leon is great...
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gnukid
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I think you are referring to the meeting about the new inm status meeting at which time no change was made to either Inmigrado orPR driving us plated
cars. Please be aware that importation temporal de vehiculo rules apply differently to different regions. There is no vehicle TIP for Fronteriza and
no restriction, in fact if you have a mexican family member they can drive your US plated car and if you have meixcan friend with US green card they
can drive your US plated too. For that matter if you have a wife with TR and you have PR you can drive in Territory Nacional with TIP on US plated
car.
There are also explicit laws to allow you to enter and leave securely even if something was not right or changed. So the law goes out of the way to
provide legal passage for international drivers who wish to pass.
For example if you come a place with no registration for your car you don't need it in Baja you can travel internationally, such as Indigenous people.
Clearly international drivers are not restricted from driving in Fronteriza Baja because doing so would make it impossible to cross back and forth
reasonably for tens of thousands of families and would cause undo burden, and be unfair to international travelers in good standing who contribute
with legal residency in both countries who are in good standing. In fact there are more exceptions than you can imagine, international sport teams,
researchers, honorary cultural residents, wives, kids, qualquier person simpre contigo Look it up. And show us the law that restricts international PR
from driving legal US plated cars in Fronteriza Baja. JAJAJA Leon And Chuckie should open their legal advice office at the Jungle from 4-7pm with late
hours Fri-Sat.
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But more that that, Iknow from the owner of the Oasis Park, Leon Nolet, in Mulege that he was enforcing temporary importation of every vehicle in his
park. Residents had to drive to Santa Rosalia, go the customs office, filing for temporary importation, filling out documents, giving the customs
agent a ride to Mulege > and back of course < that the agent could look at the object and put some sticker on it. And pay for !! How is that
possible without a law??????? Give yourself the answer.
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I just ran into Leon in town and asked him about this. His answer `` total b u l l s h i t``
When the law came out that PR needed mex plates, a meeting was held at the jungle and SAT and IMM gave a brief talk. We were told that the law would
not be enforced until it was revised to accommodate snowbirds, by jan 2016. The law has not .changed, nor is it being enforced. PR need to be driving
imported cars by law.
Btw, Leon goes out of his way to help anybody, in Mulege, not just the Oasis. He serves as translator, gives advice on who to contact for specific
problems etc, all for free. |
[Edited on 8-3-2016 by gnukid]
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willyAirstream
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I know you have done the research Gnu, I bow to you. Now, if only the cops knew the law as well as you do, all would be good. This whole thing is
nothing to worry about if your car is legally plated, insured and you have a valid lic.
I think a better idea would be a boxing match between jc43 and chuckie. The winner gets a free chocolate.
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JC43
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| Quote: Originally posted by willyAirstream | I know you have done the research Gnu, I bow to you. Now, if only the cops knew the law as well as you do, all would be good. This whole thing is
nothing to worry about if your car is legally plated, insured and you have a valid lic.
I think a better idea would be a boxing match between jc43 and chuckie. The winner gets a free chocolate. |
Boxing Match? Not possible at the moment as I am in Tampico for the next three to four weeks or so.
Later? Well, chuckie has an advantage: He has the most power in his arms. I know from one of his friends that years ago chuckie was hunting Kansas
prairie dogs to support his family with sufficient nutrition by crawling on his hands to make a low profile that the Kansas prairie dogs can`t see
him.
He was really successful with this hunting technique, his friend reported.
So he got a lot of power in his arms because of that.
And I am really afraid of him!!!
My power on the opposite is located more in the part of my head above the eyes. And looking at past threads and posts, chuckie lost our match already
several times by Knock Out.
To the headline
Of Course Leon Nolet will not openly admit doing what he did.
But he did! No further comment.
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bajabuddha
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JC, if brain power were gasoline you wouldn't have enough to run a pizzant's moped around a BB.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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JC43
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you are damn right! My car is a Diesel!
But if stupidity had pimples > you would look like a crumb cake 
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