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David K
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Corn should be grown to feed people and animals and not to satisfy some political goal. Since ethanol LOWERS fuel mileage, how does burning more fuel
become a better thing? In Bizzaro world maybe?
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Is this leno guy a mechanical engineer? 
Older engines are polluters. Nothing wrong with their demise, some might say their disappearance from use is good for our air 
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | | Corn should be grown to feed people and animals and not to satisfy some political goal. Since ethanol LOWERS fuel mileage, how does burning more fuel
become a better thing? In Bizzaro world maybe? |
If you cared about conservation, you would be for mandatory fuel economy improvements!
Cleaner air is better than minor efficiency decrease!
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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Not to mention the federal corn subsidies and the cost of producing ethanol being a net loss. I read an article years ago that sugar cane is about 8
times more efficient at making ethanol than corn. I believe that is why we restrict Brazilian (sugar cane) ethanol imports. To "support" our
farmers, err, agribusiness corporations. High fructose corn syrup, ethanol, etc.
Sugar cane is also very easy to grow, I wonder why we don't use more for ethanol, since we subsidize the sugar industry as well. Who knows. Politics
for sure, David.
Here's a comparison, notice the reduction in gh gases, less acreage, etc., with sugar cane ethanol. Closing remarks sum it up well.
http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2010/ph240/luk1/
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Sugar cane is easy to grow? Hmmmmm?
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I believe I read that as well, yes. Of course, it may be water intensive to some extent, I do not know. Considering it was an early crop for
plantations, I assume it must have been a fairly hardy crop. I have heard that working in the sugar cane fields was the worst job of all. Razor
sharp leaves. I think I saw a short documentary on TV not too long ago about the sugar cane plantations. Ugly.
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You might want to do a little more research on US Sugar production...
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daddy chopped that sugar cane and one day he fell dead...
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Perhaps. I do know that beet sugar is involved in the US, probably more than cane sugar, not really into a debate about it. I really don't use the
stuff, myself.
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"While the overall impacts on climate remain uncertain, there is no clear evidence that ethanol is part of the solution rather than the problem. If
anything, a ranking of nine energy sources in relation to global climate found that cellulosic and corn-based ethanol (E85) were ranked last of nine
technologies with respect to climate, air pollution, land use, wildlife damage, and chemical waste"
https://e360.yale.edu/features/the_case_against_ethanol_bad_...
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Corn should be grown to feed people and animals and not to satisfy some political goal. Since ethanol LOWERS fuel mileage, how does burning more fuel
become a better thing? In Bizzaro world maybe? |
If you cared about conservation, you would be for mandatory fuel economy improvements!
Cleaner air is better than minor efficiency decrease! |
It's more than minor
https://e360.yale.edu/features/the_case_against_ethanol_bad_...
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | Read about this in the L.A. Times Sunday. Filling Jerry Cans from a 20-foot geyser while getting soaked seems a bit hazardous. One spark and
everybody goes boom:
[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-fuel-theft-casualties/mexico-pipeline-explosion-killed-89-pemex-defends-response-idUSKCN1PF1EC] |
Have to be nuts getting anywhere close to that pipeline.
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Havana Day Dreaming 
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https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2019-01-22/death-...
After seeing the news of nearly 100 people that were killed in an explosion while they were tapping into the pipeline in central Mexico, I just read
that the gov't has purchased over 500 tanker trucks to distribute the fuel. Those trucks will have armed soldiers on board to protect the loads.
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Great article... thanks.
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Fuel bandits standing knee-deep...
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Maybe this will help - kinda doubt it but there's always hope!
"Octane ratings are not indicators of the energy content of fuels. (See Effects below and Heat of combustion). They are only a measure of the fuel's
tendency to burn in a controlled manner, rather than exploding in an uncontrolled manner.[3] Where the octane number is raised by blending in ethanol,
energy content per volume is reduced. Ethanol BTUs can be compared with gasoline BTUs in heat of combustion tables."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
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Knock Knock ?
OK, moving on from knocking Ethanol, the question IS .................
Given that LEAD and MTBE are out, WHAT cost-effective and environmentally-acceptable alternative would be
preferable for producing gasoline in the required octanes ?
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Mexico latest solution is a proposal to obtain hundreds of US sourced fuel trucks. I guess they would turn off the pipeline flow and just the trucks
for supply? Major issue is bureaucracy approval os such a scheme. No ethanol in Mexico which is a good thing, IMO.
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| Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Mexico latest solution is a proposal to obtain hundreds of US sourced fuel trucks. I guess they would turn off the pipeline flow and just the trucks
for supply? Major issue is bureaucracy approval os such a scheme. No ethanol in Mexico which is a good thing, IMO.
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Truck hijackings have already begun, though. Full, of course, not empty.
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