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Fernweh
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BTW when you step onto a vessel, and it moves, it's a boat. If if does not move, it's a ship.......
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JZ
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Where's a yacht fit in?
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thebajarunner
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Boats are vessels that will fit on a ship.
All us old Navy guys know that one...
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I was a airedale, so I don't have a clue ship vs boat. El Centro California, test parachute 68-72. It's where I found my first love of all things
Mexico.
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Join the Navy See the world
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I was a airedale, so I don't have a clue ship vs boat. El Centro California, test parachute 68-72. It's where I found my first love of all things
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So you get stuck in the ovens of El Centro
and I go aboard my first ship in San Diego, believing that weekends in Baja will be on the menu.
10 days later we head for Panama and the next two years in steamy Norfolk, back and forth to the Caribbean 9 times.
Ever been to Port au Prince?
Makes the TJ barrio look like Malibu
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kiterkip
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| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner | | Quote: Originally posted by kiterkip |
I was a airedale, so I don't have a clue ship vs boat. El Centro California, test parachute 68-72. It's where I found my first love of all things
Mexico. |
So you get stuck in the ovens of El Centro
and I go aboard my first ship in San Diego, believing that weekends in Baja will be on the menu.
10 days later we head for Panama and the next two years in steamy Norfolk, back and forth to the Caribbean 9 times.
Ever been to Port au Prince?
Makes the TJ barrio look like Malibu |
Nope, Closest I ever got was the Dominican Republic. It was more ghetto than any Mexico neighborhood.
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AKgringo
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Kiterkip, When you are in Melaque, do you ever go play with the crocodiles at La Manzanilla? If you are lucky, you might be able to swim with them in
the bay! (I passed on the opportunity)
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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kiterkip
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | | Kiterkip, When you are in Melaque, do you ever go play with the crocodiles at La Manzanilla? If you are lucky, you might be able to swim with them in
the bay! (I passed on the opportunity) |
Visited the crocs many times.
We had a comment on TomZap many years ago from a disgruntled woman who visited with her 2 sweet little Pomeranian dogs. She came to see the crocs...
let the dogs out of the car.... next she noticed was that one of the crocs had a bulge in his midriff.
She was very upset at the Mexican culture that would allow such a thing.
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The first time I've seen my personally - regarded finest area so far, mentioned here, the southern portion of Jalisco. the Costa Alegra. After seven
winter stays on a beach of Tenacatita- Playa Mora, also called the Aquarium - we always faced La Manzanilla directly across the Bay, maybe 5 or 6
miles away. Visited friends on the beach there who, after one night were returning back to their rig on the beach, made themselves a quick detour when
they noticed right in front of them on their path, a very long, dark and low-slung object right in front of them! And yes the crocs liked to swim just
off shore there at La Manzanilla, with people on the beach trying to keep any swimmers "informed." After a hurricane came through one year, and the
bridge over the Lagoon became history, it was very interesting to watch people trying to pass around the beach end of the lagoon to gain the dead-end
road on the other side because the crocs like to sun themselves over the footprints of earlier travelers. Its been ten years away for me to a part of
the world that's perfect November to end of February, but when March rolled around we'd need head to higher, cooler ground found closer to
Gaudalajara, and the multitude of facinating smaller Mexican towns.
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AKgringo
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That is sad to hear! I was last there for a couple of weeks over thanksgiving 2007, and I was hoping that the area would be slow to change.
I used to snorkel out on the point where the river flows into the bay. I picked up lots of plastic on the rocks that would wash down from town, but
the water seemed clear, and lots of interesting sea life around those rocks!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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chippy
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| Quote: Originally posted by kiterkip | | Quote: Originally posted by daveB | | The first time I've seen my personally - regarded finest area so far, mentioned here, the southern portion of Jalisco. the Costa Alegra. After seven
winter stays on a beach of Tenacatita- Playa Mora, also called the Aquarium - we always faced La Manzanilla directly across the Bay, maybe 5 or 6
miles away. Visited friends on the beach there who, after one night were returning back to their rig on the beach, made themselves a quick detour when
they noticed right in front of them on their path, a very long, dark and low-slung object right in front of them! And yes the crocs liked to swim just
off shore there at La Manzanilla, with people on the beach trying to keep any swimmers "informed." After a hurricane came through one year, and the
bridge over the Lagoon became history, it was very interesting to watch people trying to pass around the beach end of the lagoon to gain the dead-end
road on the other side because the crocs like to sun themselves over the footprints of earlier travelers. Its been ten years away for me to a part of
the world that's perfect November to end of February, but when March rolled around we'd need head to higher, cooler ground found closer to
Gaudalajara, and the multitude of facinating smaller Mexican towns. |
You probably would not like Melaque now. It's overrun with party-time tourists and gentrification. Tons of Quebequas have purchased and built designer
homes. The weekend rush of Gaudalajara visitors is insane. It has changed so much since your time of 10+ years ago. Oh.... and they added two stop
light, 3 OXXO's, 3 Kiokas stores, and a Bodega (Walmart) in Melaque. I would prefer to live in La Perula, or La Manzanilla, but the wife loves the
dance scene. Oh... and... The creek that runs through West Melaque is all black water that goes straight to the bay from apartments and hotels,
directly to a baby beach with children playing & splashing. I have not swam at Melaque for 6 years. |
Wow Kip quite the expert on Melaque . I do appreciate your fake news to keep the
lame ass gringos out but alot of what you posted is NOT true.
PLEASE go to La Manz you´re perfect for that place .
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kiterkip
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Good Morning Chippy,
Fake news? OK, maybe I sound a bit "glass 1/2 empty".
Come to the west end on Melaque on a windless day and you'll almost choke on the open sewer smell. This was not the case 10 years ago before a string
of larger apartments were built. Come for a walk and see the open pipes draining from these buildings. You are aware that the power was disconnected
from the govt sewer treatment plant? Now the lagoon is our treatment.
My 1/2 empty glass is only from missing those carefree days of 10 years ago.
Are you from Melaque? Been there most winters for 30 years.
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kiterkip
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
I didn't return till the 80's, stepped off the bus among the multi-story hotels and literally thought I'd arrived in the wrong town.  |
Ha! I met a guy who used to come to Barra back in your times. He said they always set up over on the spit in front of Barra. Dug a pit for the RV
drains and stayed all winter.
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chippy
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| Quote: Originally posted by kiterkip | Good Morning Chippy,
Fake news? OK, maybe I sound a bit "glass 1/2 empty".
Come to the west end on Melaque on a windless day and you'll almost choke on the open sewer smell. This was not the case 10 years ago before a string
of larger apartments were built. Come for a walk and see the open pipes draining from these buildings. You are aware that the power was disconnected
from the govt sewer treatment plant? Now the lagoon is our treatment.
My 1/2 empty glass is only from missing those carefree days of 10 years ago.
Are you from Melaque? Been there most winters for 30 years. |
Morning Kip,
Hey you seem like an ok dude sorry if I came off a little harsh. I have been living down here full time since June 1998. I bought my first place
(villa obregon) in 1995 after the eathquake. I have been traveling up and down the Pacific coast of Mexico since i was a teenager (63 now).
Your 10 year thing is funny to me. Sure things where a lot less developed 10 years ago due to the financial crisis of 2008. 2005 thru 2008 things
where going crazy development wise with no end in site. Then the crisis hit (gracias a dios) and set it back 10 years. It´s now getting back to that
pre 2008 stage (unfortunatly).
Sewer, agricultural chemicals and who knows what has always run out the west end creek. It was better before they drained the swamp that the army base
is now built on.
The designer homes thing is also funny. Those POS slap em up junk you consider designer. I´m originally fron S. Calif. My idea of a designer home
differs hugely.
This pueblita was built by and for Mexicans/Tapatios coming from Guad.and other parts of Jalisco to party and vacation Mexican style. Its only the 2
to 3 month (jan thru march) occupation that this is not obvious.
This occupational force (snowbird tourists) I speak of seems to be comprised of 90% absolute experts on the Costa Alegre. It´s very annoying and now
I spend those months else where.
Saludos Kip
ps theres still no Aurrera Bodega in Melaque/Villa Obregon.
[Edited on 8-30-2019 by chippy]
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AKgringo
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Another old fogie!
My first view of Barra de Navidad was from the back seat of a 53 Buick Roadmaster, fighting for a window seat with my older brother and sister!
That was in 1957, and I was ten years old. My dad was doing well in the logging industry in northern California, and winter pretty much shut down
operations back then, so we used to head to Manzanillo for a couple of months in the winter.
Yeah, it has seen some changes!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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kiterkip
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Morning Chippy,
I think we've met? I go to the Costa Allegre English speaking church sporadically.
Regarding the Aurrera/Bodega store.... that comment of mine was from the latest news I've heard on TomZap. Sounds like the rock mountain that they
took down near the hwy #200 across from the Pemex is in construction with a Bodega.
Also... condo people are trying to build an apartment complex on the old Concha del Mar beach-front site in West Melaque. Not sure if that got off
the ground.
Kip
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| Quote: Originally posted by kiterkip |
Morning Chippy,
I think we've met? I go to the Costa Allegre English speaking church sporadically.
Regarding the Aurrera/Bodega store.... that comment of mine was from the latest news I've heard on TomZap. Sounds like the rock mountain that they
took down near the hwy #200 across from the Pemex is in construction with a Bodega.
Also... condo people are trying to build an apartment complex on the old Concha del Mar beach-front site in West Melaque. Not sure if that got off
the ground.
Kip |
They will! You should see the monstrosity they´re finishing up a block inland from me in VO. 30+ condos .
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