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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | The past should be known and taught, not hidden and forgotten.
Bad things happened... LEARN from it (so it won't be repeated).
If your feelings are hurt because something bad happened hundreds of years ago... well, you better toughen up, pilgrim.
Junípero Serra (and the Spanish Government) founded San Diego's mission (and first colony). THAT is what is being memorialized.
ADD a statue of a Native American founder instead of removing Serra's and erasing him from the books.
Serra actually defended the Natives from the Spanish soldiers. The next mission after San Diego was at Monterey, but Serra soon moved the mission to
Carmel so the soldiers of the Monterey presidio couldn't easily have their way with Native girls.
If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at the government of Spain, not at a mission priest. |
Nobody is mad.
People re just being respectful of others when they don’t name public institutions after controversial individuals that many think to be bad
hombres. The students can learn about Serra, Trump or Hitler without naming their high school after Serra, Trump or Hitler 
Get woke, dude. No one is erasing history. They are erasing inappropriate veneration
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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pacificobob
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed | [rquote= and conceal it in a variety of ways[/rquote]
Is this a concession that "systemic racism" exists? |
no "concession " required. of course it exists.
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Skipjack Joe
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Where does it end?
Should we destroy the hated missions which he constructed?
Should we get rid of the pope because he ordered Serra to go forth?
And the Catholic Church which ultimately holds all the responsibility?
And of course he can't be considered a Saint.
The accusations will never end.
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pacificobob
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as a 5th grader in the California schools in the early 60s we were taught the the dear ol padres were sainted supermen.
who would never rape, enslave, infect and destroy cultures in jebus name.
heck if you look at 8th-11th century Christian churches in europe , I'd be willing to bet a portion of the laborers if not slaves were
indentured...or call it "apprenticed "
little wonder those times spawned labor unions.
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Super Saints ?
Was that a Public School ?
While my CA elementary school experience in L.A. was a decade earlier (5th in '54-'55), I don't recall those Friars being treated with
excessive admiration.
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pacificobob
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public schools.
in the san francisco bay area.
it was emphasized enthusiastically.
plaster models of the missions, freeways named, field trips.
anybody familiar with "radio classics " on sirius radio? there is a a radio show called something like "tales of the California ranchos".
in it, the padres are depicted as selfless men of god who rescue the indigenous folks from their stupidity and guide them to a much improved life.
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