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Alm
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Why people don't read posts before responding, puzzles me.The OP specified a destination - Cabo and "as far North as La Paz, including Todos Santos
and Cabo Pulmo".
Of those destined for Cabo and area, the majority are flying there. Fast, comfortable, more days left for enjoying what they came for. Very few are
coming there to enjoy a several days drive, but I would imagine such types existing too 
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thebajarunner
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You infer that I may not speak the truth???
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  |
This not really true.
And you can't expect ppl like the op to have close to your knowledge of how to do it, even if it was true.
That said, 2 wheel drive is fine for a lot of Baja. But don't go very far off the beat path.
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"Even if it was (sic) true"
Well, my record speaks for itself
I am listed on a dozen NORRA, BSC, and SCORE finishing results (BRA also)
And, yes, the cult of 4 x 4 is certainly pervasive
and vastly over rated.
A bit of sense and you can go virtually anywhere in Baja in 2 wheel drive.
No, you can't rock climb, nor run the Pole Line Road
But who cares. All of Baja awaits the prudent off road driver.
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| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner |
I raced in all the SCORE races for 12 years, plus a few other random events. Drove a 2 wheel drive Ford pickup. Also did all of our pre-running in a
2 wheel drive pickup...
...Only in my 2 wheel drive F150...
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That's a great sandbag, jajaja. You left out the part about having a rear locking differential. You must certainly have a locking diff (or a spool)?
So as not to confuse the masses, a rear locker is more than 100% better than a conventional open diff. In some conditions, having a rear locker in 2WD
will surpass the ability of 4WD with open diffs. A stock pickup with an open differential and OEM tires is likely to get stuck at the first sandy
arroyo.
My selectable locking diff gets used frequently. Rarely do I shift into 4WD. For the most part, I tend to think of 4WD as my "insurance policy" to get
unstuck.
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner |
"Even if it was (sic) true"
Well, my record speaks for itself
I am listed on a dozen NORRA, BSC, and SCORE finishing results (BRA also)
And, yes, the cult of 4 x 4 is certainly pervasive
and vastly over rated.
A bit of sense and you can go virtually anywhere in Baja in 2 wheel drive.
No, you can't rock climb, nor run the Pole Line Road
But who cares. All of Baja awaits the prudent off road driver.
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Because someone is a great swimmer and knows the ocean very well doesn't mean it's a good idea for them to tell others to swim in the ocean w/o a life
jacket.
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thebajarunner
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You are partially correct
| Quote: Originally posted by Maderita | | Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner |
I raced in all the SCORE races for 12 years, plus a few other random events. Drove a 2 wheel drive Ford pickup. Also did all of our pre-running in a
2 wheel drive pickup...
...Only in my 2 wheel drive F150...
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That's a great sandbag, jajaja. You left out the part about having a rear locking differential. You must certainly have a locking diff (or a spool)?
So as not to confuse the masses, a rear locker is more than 100% better than a conventional open diff. In some conditions, having a rear locker in 2WD
will surpass the ability of 4WD with open diffs. A stock pickup with an open differential and OEM tires is likely to get stuck at the first sandy
arroyo.
My selectable locking diff gets used frequently. Rarely do I shift into 4WD. For the most part, I tend to think of 4WD as my "insurance policy" to get
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Not a "sandbag"
We did indeed use a partially locked rear end gear in the race truck.
We were afraid of breaking axles with a true locker so our Ford tech guy showed us how to add an extra spacer into the clutch pack. We pressed it and
wrapped up the rear end gear. On pavement, making tight turns the inside wheel would "chirp" but under heavy stress on an uneven road it would not be
as likely to break an axle.
Never have used a locker in a pre-runner
My ancient F150 which has made 22 annual treks deep into backcountry Baja does not have a locker.
Thus, 90+% of my Baja driving has been 2 wheel, non-locked rear end.
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To answer they OP question - and Ocotillo's as well - you don't need an awd or 4wd if you don't go off the road. Any car will do, a beaten up rental
compact is fine.
It is "possible" to get stuck in 2WD in a village if you don't watch where you're going, but then, in a village there are always people around, they
will pull you out. Carry a towing chain and be prepared that they could refuse to take money - a notorious Mexican "orgullo", though they usually
take. Don't know whether this has been mentioned in this thread - don't drive at night, too many reasons.
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| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner |
Never have used a locker in a pre-runner
My ancient F150 which has made 22 annual treks deep into backcountry Baja does not have a locker.
Thus, 90+% of my Baja driving has been 2 wheel, non-locked rear end. |
the new f-150s have open differential with optional e-lockers
i think older f-150s had limited slip differentials, eh?
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Locked Up on the Pavement
Years back, I was looking for a second Suzuki Samurai to trade back and forth with an existing one in Baja.
A business out on the highway here had one in great shape "for sale" at a good price displayed for awhile before I stopped to check it out.
Before we went for a test drive, the business owner told me that previous would-be buyers had been turned-off by the (full-time) locking rear-end that
he'd installed years back.
"Just be really careful about your speed when turning left. It can get pretty Squirrely."
And, it was scary.
I never let anyone else drive it and years later, I gave the same advice to the Mexican I sold it to in San Felipe.
Hope he followed it.
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thebajarunner
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner |
Never have used a locker in a pre-runner
My ancient F150 which has made 22 annual treks deep into backcountry Baja does not have a locker.
Thus, 90+% of my Baja driving has been 2 wheel, non-locked rear end. |
the new f-150s have open differential with optional e-lockers
i think older f-150s had limited slip differentials, eh? |
My 1999 F150, a veteran of many Baja wars, definitely does not have limited slip. I get stuck every couple years here in Central Cal. I am a real
estate developer and too often I venture out on a rainy winter day to check progress of subdivision work, without wanting to get wet. And, even on
the level that old sucker just sits and spins.
Been stuck more times on level ground in Stanislaus County than in all my years in Baja. (Which maybe indicates a lack of caution and good sense here
at home... on familiar ground)
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David K
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Maybe Baja Vida can loan you his Range Rover? (I am just kidding)!
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thebajarunner
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BV drives a pussy RAV
Not a macho machine for sure
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LOL, oh you are in so much trouble when I tell him!
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Renting a car in BCS is expensive mostly because of insurance costs. You can buy a nice US plated car privately for far less than you can rent.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama | | To rent a car for a month will cost at least $2,000 - we rented a little SUV for just over a week in Loreto and it was about $750. Also flights into
Cabo. But if you choose that route you will save on ok travel time - 3 days each way into La Paz from USA. If you like to drive it will just cost
insurance (about $300 for 6 month full coverage policy, much cheaper if liability only) plus gas and hotels/motels. Significantly less expensive to
drive (and more fun IMHO). So it really depends on your budget - if you have the $ and want more days in Southern BCS, fly and rent a car, if $ is on
a budget, drive. Good luck! |
A 4x4 or awd rental will run you at least $100 per day in BCS so don't fall for the low price leaders the up charges kill you. Full coverage (walk
away deductibles) are a bit more.
I opted to buy a truck to bring down but the pandemic has it sitting here in the North. It is a 1991 F250 4x4 with a 460 and 79k original miles. It
was roached being from a beach town in Oregon. Nothing serious, just all old stock and a surface rust / crusty patina. It was perfect. I spent $3k
on the truck and $7k doing all the nessecary mods to make it ready, completely gone through everything.
Yes, it gets 12 mpg but my house is 48 miles from the airport and my village is 3 miles wide and 4 miles tall. $300k in coverage costs $220 a year and
includes a plane ride home if needed. In all it costs me less to own than a years rental.
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