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Author: Subject: Four US Citizens Kidnapped by armed men in Matamoros
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[*] posted on 3-11-2023 at 11:35 AM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
cartel crime groups profess a twisted code of ethics under which they believe they are looking out for the the poor and vulnerable.

flocking twisted world!



Pretty sure they don't believe it, they just know public relations for the uneducated or poor.
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[*] posted on 3-11-2023 at 04:21 PM


Some questions being raised now about what this group was doing in the 3 hrs between when they crossed the border and when they were actually kidnapped, as geolocation data showing they were driving around in neighborhoods nowhere near the clinic they had the appointment at. Possibly just lost due to confusing Mexican roads, or sightseeing, but they had GPS showing them where the clinic was, yet were driving in the opposite direction at one point.

This case has some big questions, the answers to which we may never know, but there's likely to be some further investigation beyond simply accepting the "innocent tourists, sorry we screwed up, here's your perpetrators, let's forget about this now."

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/10/us/matamoros-mexico-ameri...
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[*] posted on 3-11-2023 at 06:39 PM


You still victim blaming?
Crikey!




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[*] posted on 3-11-2023 at 06:45 PM


Seems fishy to me.





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[*] posted on 3-11-2023 at 07:23 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
You still victim blaming?
Crikey!


Discussing new information that has been reported has nothing to do with victim blaming. It's no more a fact at this point that they were innocent victims than that they weren't. Or that it was a random act of violence or that they were mistaken for someone else.

The only established facts at this point are that four Americans were violently kidnapped and two of them murdered. And that the cartel turned over 5 people to the cops. It's also a fact that some of them had criminal records, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything at all here- a person could have been responsible for a car accident 5 years ago, but that doesn't mean that they must be at fault in a future car accident. None of us here knew these people, all we know is what is being reported. I don't make any assumptions, nor have "suspicions" either way. I'm just following it, as many people are.

And you'd certainly make a lousy detective if you simply assumed that everyone was innocent (or guilty) before there had been a thorough investigation.

[Edited on 3-12-2023 by surabi]
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[*] posted on 3-12-2023 at 12:01 PM


Elementary my dear Watson, the Brazilian butt lift was only a ruse. Who would think to look under the bandages?
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