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ROCKY POINT CRUISE SHIP PORT
Well this isn't about Baja, but does include info about San Felipe.
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/nationworld/report/042815_rock...
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Very interesting article, although a few months old. Thanks for posting.
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I wish Puerto Penasco all the best, but I believe their numbers and analysis is wrong and this will not be as big a deal as they think. Why do you
think San Diego, a city of 3 million people, cannot get itself on more cruise line ports of call? Because the cruise lines for the west coast are home
ported in Long Beach and San Pedro. There are many facilities available to service cruise ships in Southern California. To be home ported, you need
staffing, food and available transit for incoming/ougoing passengers from all over. Cruise ships ae filled with people from all ovr the world. I can
see where a cruise ship port would be helpful for new cruise routes along the eastern coast of Mexico, but whether 3,000 passengers a week will be
visiting Pto. Penasco is a stretch. Also, they expect this to be a departure point for passengers living in Arizona (California is just as close ??),
yet passengers won't be swarming through town spending money - they will be boarding and leaving town. And definitely not a good thing to have an
adverse impact on the environment (one person relocating a reef?). And to add a port of call waaay up there at Pto Penasco after, say, Mazatlan?
that's more than 1 day at sea, and return as well, which adds to the cost of any cruise. And to state that "80 percent of cruise goers choose land
vacations based on the destinations they visit on a cruise trip." Highly doubtful. The people who will be taking this cruise is doing so because they
don't want to do it by land, or drive in Mexico, or really want to see much of Mexico - they want a getaway on a US cruise ship that offers 3 meals a
day, shopping, dancing, entertainment, gambling. They say they are working on contracts with cruise lines - will be interesting to see what develops.
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Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  | | I wish Puerto Penasco all the best, but I believe their numbers and analysis is wrong and this will not be as big a deal as they think. Why do you
think San Diego, a city of 3 million people, cannot get itself on more cruise line ports of call? Because the cruise lines for the west coast are home
ported in Long Beach and San Pedro. There are many facilities available to service cruise ships in Southern California. To be home ported, you need
staffing, food and available transit for incoming/ougoing passengers from all over. Cruise ships ae filled with people from all ovr the world. I can
see where a cruise ship port would be helpful for new cruise routes along the eastern coast of Mexico, but whether 3,000 passengers a week will be
visiting Pto. Penasco is a stretch. Also, they expect this to be a departure point for passengers living in Arizona (California is just as close ??),
yet passengers won't be swarming through town spending money - they will be boarding and leaving town. And definitely not a good thing to have an
adverse impact on the environment (one person relocating a reef?). And to add a port of call waaay up there at Pto Penasco after, say, Mazatlan?
that's more than 1 day at sea, and return as well, which adds to the cost of any cruise. And to state that "80 percent of cruise goers choose land
vacations based on the destinations they visit on a cruise trip." Highly doubtful. The people who will be taking this cruise is doing so because they
don't want to do it by land, or drive in Mexico, or really want to see much of Mexico - they want a getaway on a US cruise ship that offers 3 meals a
day, shopping, dancing, entertainment, gambling. They say they are working on contracts with cruise lines - will be interesting to see what develops.
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I don't disagree, but, the one thing tha you have to keep in mind.
Rocky Point is called AZ's beach. I think Tucson and Phoenix may keep the place hopping and load up the ship. Also, if marketed to the Eco crowd,
many people want to see the natural beauty of the Sea of Cortez.
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I'll go along with the thought that many people want to see the natural beauty of the Sea Of (Cortez)...blue or not.
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I been going to rp for 35 years. It's hard to believe the changes that have taken place in that time. I think the cruise ship port will eventually be
very successful.
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I foresee another tripling of the ATV rental shops and Sand Mountain eventually becoming solid rock, all loose dirt and vegetation blown north and
eastward. I'm sure the cruis-ies will love the sound of wasps and mosquitos non-stop for their shore leave.
Shak's 5th Avenue downtown and on the west road will do well, and JJ's will be standing-room-only, for a few hours. Hope they lay over long enough
for a round of sand-golf.
Too bad they'll never get to witness Arturo's Bar after 11 pm. 
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I work at the San Diego cruise ship terminal, and there is staffing, food and available transit for incoming/outgoing passengers from all over.
When a ship comes in for visitation, passengers have choices of what to do. They can go on a prepaid tour, or go out on their own.
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I have only been to Puerto Peñasco once (around 1983)... and we drove to the 'gringo village' not too far north, that reminded me of Puertecitos of
that time... I thought THAT was 'Rocky Point'?
Is that correct and Puerto Peñasco is just lumped in with it, because 'Rocky Point' is just easier to say?
I also went to El Golfo de Santa Clara that trip and it reminded me of old San Felipe in 1966!
Most interesting about those two places is that you can see Diablo Mountain in Baja, so you know it is a narrow gulf. But, around San Felipe the only
thing you can see to show there is another side to the gulf is the glow of city lights at night from Puerto Peñasco (or is that Rock Point? lol).
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OMFG!!!
DK isn't a top authority on something.... well my fine feathered friend, "Rocky Point" IS Puerto Peñasco; where the 'old town' is and the old
shrimping harbor, it's a volcanic flow of basalt that reaches the sea. Sand Mountain is 5 miles of Sandy Beach (used to be) to the west. Now Sandy
Beach is mostly condos and hotels, with a very elaborately made golf course (huge sand traps, of course) out to where the now-smaller camping area is
on the west end. The gringolandia you visited is La Jolla (or 'La Joya", can't remember the exact spelling, and no, it doesn't have to be proper
Español) that used to be simple shanties and of course the infamous JJ's Cantina, of which I still have a t-shirt (in my mothball collection) and my
license plate that says "NO SNIVELLING" hanging behind my bar here at mi casa with a string around it for those who deserve to wear it....
As you left "Rocky Point" towards JJ's (a 5 mile sandy drive with at least 4 dirt tracks to choose from) there was a solid line of shanty-shacks of
hawkers selling all the usual trinkets and segundos, and was called "Shak's 5th Avenue" locally.
El Picacho Del Diablo, the peak above San Felipe is visible from PP and sandy beach at 60 miles away because it's over 11,000 feet tall; PP has the
absolute best and most spectacular sunsets in Mexico that I've seen.
Last time there, about 6 years ago, we stayed at the old hotel (forgot the name) that's right at the end of the old Malecon and built into the basalt
that gives the town the name. Rumor was it was its' last year; was going to be torn down for a bigger hotel or condo. Haven't been back.
As Arizona has grown, so has Rocky Point. RIP. There was an article today on the web about Organ Pipe Nat. Mon., and how it's now a graveyard of
those trying to come north. It's one of the 'hotspots' now of not only illegal immigration, but cartel traffic as well; the drug coyotes offer help
of passage if the campesinos will be mules for them. There are Americans who, with sympathy go into the deserts and stash water bottles on known
routes (that aught to get a good rise going here). The whole area, including the El Pinacate Vocanic Park just south of the border used to be one of
my favorite stomping grounds; like most things and most sacred places, it's gone the Way Of The Wind now.
Far's seeing PP's lights from San Felipe, I kinda doubt it; earth's curve only lets you see about 15 miles of horizon. You can see El Picacho from
PP, but it's two miles high. I've never seen San Flip's lights from PP, so .... you were probably seeing shrimping boats out from PP looking for
their catch. BTW, the earth DOES curve, you know.... ain't flat any more.
ADDENDUM:
The gringolandia is "Cholla Bay". JJ's had (prolly still does have) hundreds of framed pictures of fishing tourneys and huge trophy pesca, black
bass, blah-blah, you name 'em....... now the area's pretty much a wet desert. Been that way when I started there in '83.
Jeeeeez-o, maybe that's where I saw you !!! 
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Thank you.
Yes, Cholla Bay sounds familiar... There were so many references to 'Rocky Point', that is why I wondered.
1983, huh?
Oh, and the glow in the sky is for sure Puerto Peñasco lights. You can see it from Shell Island which is far from San Felipe city glare. Constant over
the years, same compass direction, looks like from 100 miles away, over the curve of the earth.
Here's a 1941 Map close up...
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha |
El Picacho Del Diablo, the peak above San Felipe is visible from PP and sandy beach at 60 miles away because it's over 11,000 feet tall
[Edited on 10-16-2015 by bajabuddha] |
Picacho del Diablo is 10,157 per Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picacho_del_Diablo
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 That is feet above sea level, correct?
Can you tell where I am going with this line of thought???
In 1967's Camping and Climbing in Baja, John W. Robinson gives the north peak as being 10,154' and the south peak as 10,152'. The Devil's horns are
almost equal in height.
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"...many people want to see the natural beauty of the Sea of Cortez."
Me too. And if the cruises pulled into a remote beach like the very expensive Lindblad Expeditions - $5,990 to $10,340 for 8 days; or 7-night
Un-Cruise Adventure for $2,995, or the Adventure Smith Cruise 8 days, at $2995, I would be interested in that type of itinerary. But definitely not at
those prices. If they can compete at a MUCH lower price, they might fill some cabins. If they're cruising in the middle of the Sea of cortez "at
sea" until they reach Mazatlan, then go to Cabo and return - not so much. I went from Long Beach to Catalina to Ensenada and return (4 nights) for
$150. That's what I'm talkin about. Depart Pto Penasco, and for the next 6 nights offload me on a beach I've never been to for the day, inaccessible
by car, for $500, and I'll sign up.
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Not sure if it is even possible but the rumor I hear is a route like this-RP to Guaymas to Mazatlan to Pv to cabo then back. May not be exact but you
get the idea.
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| Quote: Originally posted by ehall | | Not sure if it is even possible but the rumor I hear is a route like this-RP to Guaymas to Mazatlan to Pv to cabo then back. May not be exact but you
get the idea. |
That route makes sense to me. Perhaps plus or minus PV.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha |
Far's seeing PP's lights from San Felipe, I kinda doubt it; earth's curve only lets you see about 15 miles of horizon. You can see El Picacho from
PP, but it's two miles high. I've never seen San Flip's lights from PP, so .... you were probably seeing shrimping boats out from PP looking for
their catch. BTW, the earth DOES curve, you know.... ain't flat any more.
[Edited on 10-16-2015 by bajabuddha] |
Yes the earth does curve smart guy, but you can see the glow of lights far beyond the earth's curve as the lights are reflected off the atmosphere at
night.
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| Quote: Originally posted by ncampion | | Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha |
Far's seeing PP's lights from San Felipe, I kinda doubt it; earth's curve only lets you see about 15 miles of horizon. You can see El Picacho from
PP, but it's two miles high. I've never seen San Flip's lights from PP, so .... you were probably seeing shrimping boats out from PP looking for
their catch. BTW, the earth DOES curve, you know.... ain't flat any more.
[Edited on 10-16-2015 by bajabuddha] |
Yes the earth does curve smart guy, but you can see the glow of lights far beyond the earth's curve as the lights are reflected off the atmosphere at
night. |
Well spoken, Oh Scholar of .... whatever.... I've seen city lights from over 50 miles reflecting off the atmosphere, but they were large cities. And,
after reflecting on your sage wisdom, PP may have grown considerably over the last 30 years with the AZ influx, and with it the ubiquitous Mexican
haze from burning plastics. Thank you for the enlightening me, Wize One.
And DK, of course a map. And to your query,"That is feet above sea level, correct?
Can you tell where I am going with this line of thought???
In 1967's Camping and Climbing in Baja, John W. Robinson gives the north peak as being 10,154' and the south peak as 10,152'. The Devil's horns are
almost equal in height. " ... of course it's obvious where you're going; in circles as usual. Far's the height folks, I should have typed "ALMOST"
instead of "OVER". Picky, picky; 800'. It's still a big hill, unmistakeable from The Reef Bar at sunset.
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Run out of meds buddah?
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