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News report on Tides affecting Baja communities
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/marejadas-inundan-asentamientos-pe...
quotes from article translated.....
The Sudcaliforniano reports that the tides are such that the latest supplement salitral flooded and flooded the stores on the beach and a small
tourist development built on stilts in the sand, where the water went under the cabins and restaurant; Additional pangas were washed away up to one
kilometer; Therefore, the cooperatives are exploring the possibility of building a board with own resources.
In the southern part of Asuncion Bay, also in the municipality of Mulege, the tidal force threatens an entire colony, and in the last two hurricane
seasons seawater came to the houses, why the neighbors have asked the authorities to build a protective wall.
Climate change would impact not only in the collapse of the volumes of catching species such as lobster, abalone, conch and scale of which depends on
the economy of thousands of families in the Pacific-North, but as was said, It is changing the geography of the communities that begin to flood;
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There is so much water everywhere still due to the higher than normal tides. The cooperative built a pier from the back of the cabanas restaurant
to the restaurant itself as there was absolutely no way to access it one time. Well, you could access it with water up to your knees.
The cabanas themselves are useless when there is a high tide. No way to get to the rooms or to drive your car anywhere close by.
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And the mangroves are starting to fill in on the salt flat behind Abreojos because it is constantly flooded. No more camping out on the point at
Estero Coyote.
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Scientists have been telling us for years that sea level is rising. The amount of rise is now sufficient for people to start seeing it with their own
eyes, the high tides are now higher. (I sense that a picture of a palm tree is coming,.. along with a blast of hot air)
Anthropogenic global warming is real. It will only get worse. In ten or 15 years even the denialists will have to admit to the truthiness of the
inconvenient truth.
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Funny how that sea level is higher only in certain places? I will keep looking for it to rise universally. Winter tides and storm waves have always
caused lagoon flooding and salt flats to get a fresh charge of sea water (that's how the salt gets there).
When those same flats are flooded at every high tide, all year long, or underwater all the time... then we will know for sure the sea level is higher.
That El Coyote palm will be in the water finally and homes along the beach will be wet! Oh, and Shell Island will be an island all the time and not
just at the highest tides (as it is now and since my first drive out there in '78).
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El Nino is a big influence in the rise in sea level.
". Warming alone is expected to cause up to 2 feet of rise along the West Coast, according to the National Climate Assessment."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/el-nino-can-raise-...
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We spent Oct to Dec in our RV on Bahia Concepcion. We've been going there in the winter each year for the past 10 years or so. This year, while
visiting the various beaches I noticed that the road going to the estero at Santispac, the road going to the Los Cocos beach and the north end of El
Burro all seemed to have higher water levels at high tide than in previous years.
I asked both Palillo and "almost free, what color" Adolpho (Cono to some), the t-shirt/blanket vendors who have been driving those roads practically
every day for years, if they thought water levels are getting higher. They both said yes.
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | | Funny how that sea level is higher only in certain places? I will keep looking for it to rise universally. |
That's an incorrect expectation. River deltas, low lying marshlands, and esteros will feel the influence of sea level rise first.
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here's a thought. since the water is warmer than we've ever seen it the past few years (especially in winter) maybe the water molecules are expanding,
hence the rise you all seek.
big storms and tides move sand around. all of the beaches around here are at their seasonal minimums. when spring arrives all of the sand ends up back
on the beach. naturally, sand movement would be cause for areas with higher water in certain locations.
someone should find a pier or pilling somewhere and paint a stripe 20 feet above the water line. check it every year on the same day during the king
tides and see what the result is.
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We love "almost free"... bought a hammock from him in 2007, a shirt in 2009, and 2012... talked to him in 2015, but the rain had us leave early before
he came back.
Warmer water does raise the level as do Winter tides and storms. Consistency rather than random high water will be what changes things.
The sea lever used to be 600 feet higher than now... I can show you fossil sea shells at 600 foot elevation points in the desert near San Felipe and
the Imperial Valley. When the sea really does rise, it will be just going back to where it was a few million years ago.
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| Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view | here's a thought. since the water is warmer than we've ever seen it the past few years (especially in winter) maybe the water molecules are expanding,
hence the rise you all seek.
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That's for sure. The warmer the water, the more space it takes. Thermal expansion.
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| Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view | here's a thought. since the water is warmer than we've ever seen it the past few years (especially in winter) maybe the water molecules are expanding,
hence the rise you all seek.
big storms and tides move sand around. all of the beaches around here are at their seasonal minimums. when spring arrives all of the sand ends up back
on the beach. naturally, sand movement would be cause for areas with higher water in certain locations.
someone should find a pier or pilling somewhere and paint a stripe 20 feet above the water line. check it every year on the same day during the king
tides and see what the result is. |
Stop it woody, that doesn't fit the narrative here....
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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| Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view |
someone should find a pier or pilling somewhere and paint a stripe 20 feet above the water line. check it every year on the same day during the king
tides and see what the result is. |
 maybe you should contact NASA w/ this brilliant science tool! You & Special K!
omfg
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| Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view |
someone should find a pier or pilling somewhere and paint a stripe 20 feet above the water line. check it every year on the same day during the king
tides and see what the result is. |
Scientists already do that, well, something similar. Been doing it for 100s of years. They call it a tide gage. That's how we know sea level is
rising. Imagine that!
But some say we should just take pictures of palm trees and toyotas.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Funny how that sea level is higher only in certain places? I will keep looking for it to rise universally. |
That's an incorrect expectation. River deltas, low lying marshlands, and esteros will feel the influence of sea level rise first.
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Sea Level is a point of reference, world-wide. Sure things cause it to fluctuate but the sea level is not greater here and not there since the sea is
all connected around the world. Deltas and marshes are next to the sea, so sure they get affected more than a house on a cliff overlooking the sea,
far below.
The Gulf of California and in a bay is a great place to see this level as it is far less affected by waves than the open Pacific shore.
That palm tree at El Coyote, Bahía Concepción, makes a great benchmark as we have photos of it back sixty years... and it is still on the beach, above
high tide today (well as of 6-7 months ago when I last saw it).
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aww....you guys!
is this just your special Valentine to a special person? 
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view |
someone should find a pier or pilling somewhere and paint a stripe 20 feet above the water line. check it every year on the same day during the king
tides and see what the result is. |
Scientists already do that, well, something similar. Been doing it for 100s of years. They call it a tide gage. That's how we know sea level is
rising. Imagine that!
But some say we should just take pictures of palm trees and toyotas.
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Why are boat launch ramps, harbors, breakwaters, etc. NOT all under water? North Island base (Coronado) and the Hotel Del Coronado are not underwater?
The runway at San Lucas Cove is not underwater... The gulf has not creeped up the Colorado River and made Campo Rio Hardy a sea port. PLEASE show me
the sea is higher than 60 years ago... or more.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
That palm tree at El Coyote, Bahía Concepción, makes a great benchmark as we have photos of it back sixty years... and it is still on the beach, above
high tide today (well as of 6-7 months ago when I last saw it). |
Would you post that photo again? And a map too, I don't know where that tree is.
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Sea levels don't rise or fall equally around the planet for various reasons:
http://e360.yale.edu/feature/the_secret_of_sea_level_rise_it...
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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Happy Valentine's Day Goat!
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