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Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  | ..................Than another Cisco Conspiracies R US Delusion.
The U.S. Government has every RIGHT and every RESPONSIBILITY to insure the integrity of the borders.
Given the "proven" FACT that there are those crossing NORTH from Mexico using identities other than their own, the "stated" purpose
of the program makes perfect sense.
Even IF you carry the conspiracy delusion further and "accept" that the program provides further and more detailed information on those crossing the
border in EITHER direction......................SO WHAT ?
Those making the crossings, no matter what the frequency, and are NOT engaged in criminal activity "might" suffer "minor"
inconvenience and delay.....................SO WHAT.
It's a small price to pay if it enhances security and interdiction of Illegal persons or materials.
Grow up, Cisco.
The Boogey Man is NOT manning the border.
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Biley. Carry a gun with you everywhere seems to surpass any paranoia that I may exhibit. Particularly as it is a felony carry, illegal carry and a
danger to all around you.
Take it with you everywhere you mentioned. Don't go out to water the plants without it. Never used it in 50 years?
Yeah, allow my paranoia until you get your danger to society and yourself problem fixed.
The "stated" purpose of the program is another affront and will expand into general surveillance. As I noted above from the article: ""CBP is
committed to testing, deploying and implementing biometric technologies in a way that accomplishes our security and facilitation missions,'' San Diego
Field Operations Director Pete Flores said."
Remember what it was like BEFORE crossing the border. You feel better about it now? Way beyond "minor" inconvenience.
I will make a general statement here. CBP, TSA, DEA, are all expanding their programs (remember flying in the U.S. BEFORE TSA?) into illegal search,
and in so many cases seizure under the civil forfeiture laws that make the money the criminal, not you, and is forfeited.
All agencies have expanded their military capabilities and we now have no-knock SWAT teams delivering warrants for speeding tickets with an MRAP in
tow.
We are now in a police state and most of our constitutional guarantees are gone, over, bye-bye.
Travel in the U.S. by vehicle, train or plane is much more than a minor inconvenience, it is by all accounts at the least a major inconvenience and at
the worst, deadly, by untrained overenthusiastic enforcers.
This particular insidious requirement will morph, as all the rest have, into a much more comprehensive denial of our basic rights.
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You want to see more of your "rights" eroded??? Sit back and watch who the nominee(s) are for the Supreme Court vacancy
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Biley. Carry a gun with you everywhere seems to surpass any paranoia that I may exhibit. Particularly as it is a felony carry, illegal carry and a
danger to all around you.
Take it with you everywhere you mentioned. Don't go out to water the plants without it. Never used it in 50 years?
Yeah, allow my paranoia until you get your danger to society and yourself problem fixed.
The "stated" purpose of the program is another affront and will expand into general surveillance. As I noted above from the article: ""CBP is
committed to testing, deploying and implementing biometric technologies in a way that accomplishes our security and facilitation missions,'' San Diego
Field Operations Director Pete Flores said."
Remember what it was like BEFORE crossing the border. You feel better about it now? Way beyond "minor" inconvenience.
I will make a general statement here. CBP, TSA, DEA, are all expanding their programs (remember flying in the U.S. BEFORE TSA?) into illegal search,
and in so many cases seizure under the civil forfeiture laws that make the money the criminal, not you, and is forfeited.
All agencies have expanded their military capabilities and we now have no-knock SWAT teams delivering warrants for speeding tickets with an MRAP in
tow.
We are now in a police state and most of our constitutional guarantees are gone, over, bye-bye.
Travel in the U.S. by vehicle, train or plane is much more than a minor inconvenience, it is by all accounts at the least a major inconvenience and at
the worst, deadly, by untrained overenthusiastic enforcers.
This particular insidious requirement will morph, as all the rest have, into a much more comprehensive denial of our basic rights.
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I'm not going to sit back and wait for anything Terry.
I will try to effect change however I may go about it. This thread is part of that endeavor and maybe it found a sympathetic reader here. That's what
it's all about. We are losing this country. Sad.
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When Cisco Sez.................
"We are losing this Country" WE can only hope that he's RIGHT.
Because the country that HE wants sure as Hell isn't what I want.
As to his Sissy nonsense regarding "Carry", it's worth noting (AGAIN) that, just across the Colorado in the GREAT
State of Arizona, MY habit of "Packing" most everywhere (Home Depot, restaurants and the like) is commonplace.
The MAJORITY of U.S. States have much less restrictive laws regarding Public Carry.
California is the oddity.
Refuting the idea that said habit is evidence of Paranoia, I am confident that I could DAILY cite news items without going beyond California
where people were innocently going about their business blissfully unconcerned when some Bad Guy (or Gal) changed that for the worse with often Fatal
results.
At least SOME of those Encounters of the Worst kind "could" have been avoided if the victim was armed. How Many.......Quien Sabe ?
BUT, what's ALWAYS the case is that the unarmed victim has NO such option.
Like they say: "When Seconds count, the Police are Minutes (sometimes Hours) away".
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | "We are losing this Country" WE can only hope that he's RIGHT.
Because the country that HE wants sure as Hell isn't what I want.
As to his Sissy nonsense regarding "Carry", it's worth noting (AGAIN) that, just across the Colorado in the GREAT
State of Arizona, MY habit of "Packing" most everywhere (Home Depot, restaurants and the like) is commonplace.
The MAJORITY of U.S. States have much less restrictive laws regarding Public Carry.
California is the oddity.
Refuting the idea that said habit is evidence of Paranoia, I am confident that I could DAILY cite news items without going beyond California
where people were innocently going about their business blissfully unconcerned when some Bad Guy (or Gal) changed that for the worse with often Fatal
results.
At least SOME of those Encounters of the Worst kind "could" have been avoided if the victim was armed. How Many.......Quien Sabe ?
BUT, what's ALWAYS the case is that the unarmed victim has NO such option.
Like they say: "When Seconds count, the Police are Minutes (sometimes Hours) away".
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You know Biley, I could applaud some of what you say but your perspective is so jaded and wrong that you are dangerous.
You have been carrying for so long that to you it's commonplace but it is ILLEGAL AND DANGEROUS to yourself and others.
You are NOT IN ARIZONA no matter what your rationalizations are and when you send your wife around the block to check out a car license plate or hope
that homeless lady on your street with the cart moves in a little so "I can get a clean shot" you have gone around the bend fool.
Have at it FELON. Try not to hurt an innocent, although they are the only one you will face up to in person, the rest of it is keyboard-cowboy.
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Speaking of those Shopping Cart CRAZIES
While Cisco "may" think that a prudent suspicion of those meandering NUTJOBS is excessive, a regular reading of the L.A. [Socialist Peoples
Daily] Times makes clear how often those Derelict Dregs attack citizens on the street.
And, EVEN on the streets in Yucca Valley on a (too) regular basis.
Including (covered in the local newspaper), the Homeless character who became irritated with Walmart for telling him that he couldn't panhandle out
front.
Which prompted him to return after 1 a.m. with gasoline and set fire to the Propane storage with the Delusional intent to BLOW UP the store.
And Murder those inside ?
Luckily, ALL that P.O.S. did was $250K in building damage.
When Law-Enforcement shrugs and can't protect you from the Crazed Detritus plaguing our streets and presenting a CLEAR danger, we should be prepared
to handle the problem ourselves.
I AM.
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