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willardguy
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we've all offered up good examples of rising sea levels but when the argument is "yeah but thats just the land sinking" why bother. really
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  |
Sea Level is a point of reference, world-wide. Sure things cause it to fluctuate but the sea level is not greater here and not there since the sea is
all connected around the world. |
Nonsense! aaagain
but pls, continue 
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MMc
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Sometimes, I think people do these post just to bait others. I'll go away now.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | We love "almost free"... bought a hammock from him in 2007, a shirt in 2009, and 2012... talked to him in 2015, but the rain had us leave early before
he came back.
Warmer water does raise the level as do Winter tides and storms. Consistency rather than random high water will be what changes things.
The sea lever used to be 600 feet higher than now... I can show you fossil sea shells at 600 foot elevation points in the desert near San Felipe and
the Imperial Valley. When the sea really does rise, it will be just going back to where it was a few million years ago. |
600 feet higher? Need a reference on that. Not saying no but I would think geological forces have put those fossils at that elevation. I believe if
all the ice caps melt entirely we'd only have 300 feet higher sea level.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Funny how that sea level is higher only in certain places? I will keep looking for it to rise universally. Winter tides and storm waves have always
caused lagoon flooding and salt flats to get a fresh charge of sea water (that's how the salt gets there).
When those same flats are flooded at every high tide, all year long, or underwater all the time... then we will know for sure the sea level is higher.
That El Coyote palm will be in the water finally and homes along the beach will be wet! Oh, and Shell Island will be an island all the time and not
just at the highest tides (as it is now and since my first drive out there in '78). |
Obviously you did not read the article. only comments. Open you eyes. Abreojos!
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DAVID, I offered an example....mangroves now growing where there was previously dry land...that is not occasional flooding. Read the article about
La Bocana and Blanca's comments. That is not occasional flooding.
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Great Article, Mono. Thanks
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | DAVID, I offered an example....mangroves now growing where there was previously dry land...that is not occasional flooding. Read the article about
La Bocana and Blanca's comments. That is not occasional flooding. |
So the salt flat road between Abreojos and La Bocana will never be used again because it's now and forever underwater?
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Where once was a road in now mangroves. The road keeps moving to higher ground. Within a mile of La Bocana it is blocked off and will never be used
again.
Davis.. This is a real issue affecting real people. Read the article.
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More about the mangrove lagoons of Magdalena Bay:
"Oceanographic anomalies and sea-level rise drive mangroves inland in the Pacific coast of Mexico"
http://mangroves.elaw.org/node/40
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That Bromance only lasted, what 4 days? Didn't even make it to
the second date, not even to 1st base.
Back to the good ole days, something's never
change. A least one beachside palm tree here in San Clemente
planted in 1920 was taken by the sea, don't understand some
that continue to be proud of stubborn denial,
seems to come as part of the Package
one believes in
[Edited on 2-14-2016 by sancho]
[Edited on 2-14-2016 by sancho]
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | Where once was a road in now mangroves. The road keeps moving to higher ground. Within a mile of La Bocana it is blocked off and will never be used
again.
Davis.. This is a real issue affecting real people. Read the article. |
Dk is someone who will not understand due to his political blindness, and as evidenced by his repetition of old palm tree pictures, could not begin to
understand even if he were politically inclined to have an open mind.
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David K
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The point is, I use my own eyes to see and don't blindly follow populist articles and blogs. Why is the sea rising in Abreojos and Magdalena but
nowhere in the gulf or Southern California? The only thing that fits is land sinking in those couple spots (which is mentioned in Ralph's link). Did
you read the article? I have lived on or near the beach for most of my 58 years and have yet to see a higher sea level. Where's the old vs. new photos
of the flooded locations?
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Rising Sea Levels????
An interesting article from a few years back. Have come across other more recent reports that seem to support this view.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2011/12/rising-credulity/
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The point is, I use my own eyes to see and don't blindly follow populist articles and blogs. Why is the sea rising in Abreojos and Magdalena but
nowhere in the gulf or Southern California? The only thing that fits is land sinking in those couple spots (which is mentioned in Ralph's link). Did
you read the article? I have lived on or near the beach for most of my 58 years and have yet to see a higher sea level. Where's the old vs. new photos
of the flooded locations? |
Your own eyes? How often do you get to see the sea in Abreojos? Abreojos Amigo.
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cabins over the water...time for glass floors!
From the "make lemondade" recipe files: maybe they can construct ramps from higher ground to the rear of the cabins, construct decks around the
perimeter so they can enter the front doors, and then cut out some areas of the flooring, to allow visitors to look down into the water during hi
tides and see the fish they hope to catch.... works in Polynesia!
| Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca | There is so much water everywhere still due to the higher than normal tides. The cooperative built a pier from the back of the cabanas restaurant
to the restaurant itself as there was absolutely no way to access it one time. Well, you could access it with water up to your knees.
The cabanas themselves are useless when there is a high tide. No way to get to the rooms or to drive your car anywhere close by.
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\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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uplifted areas w/fossils, not just lower sea level
Dave-
remember tectonic plates are also shifting along fault lines, and lifting up the land in places. So not only is the sea level lower, but the land is
also higher in places.
Just observe the 'wave cut terraces" on the west coast of Baja, showing the "steps" where the sea level has literally cut terraces into the land at
various elevations. Then look at the uplift on the east coast, where the subduction of plates along the San Andreas fault line is lifting/tilting the
entire peninsula.
So- all these ancient sea beds are at various elevations not only due to sea level changes, but tectonic plate dynamics/geologic shifting.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | ...
The sea lever used to be 600 feet higher than now... I can show you fossil sea shells at 600 foot elevation points in the desert near San Felipe and
the Imperial Valley. When the sea really does rise, it will be just going back to where it was a few million years ago. |
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista | From the "make lemondade" recipe files: maybe they can construct ramps from higher ground to the rear of the cabins, construct decks around the
perimeter so they can enter the front doors, and then cut out some areas of the flooring, to allow visitors to look down into the water during hi
tides and see the fish they hope to catch.... works in Polynesia!
| Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca | There is so much water everywhere still due to the higher than normal tides. The cooperative built a pier from the back of the cabanas restaurant
to the restaurant itself as there was absolutely no way to access it one time. Well, you could access it with water up to your knees.
The cabanas themselves are useless when there is a high tide. No way to get to the rooms or to drive your car anywhere close by.
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Looks like they will have to take your recommendation. Was
just there friday.
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The point is, I use my own eyes to see and don't blindly follow populist articles and blogs. Why is the sea rising in Abreojos and Magdalena but
nowhere in the gulf or Southern California? The only thing that fits is land sinking in those couple spots (which is mentioned in Ralph's link). Did
you read the article? I have lived on or near the beach for most of my 58 years and have yet to see a higher sea level. Where's the old vs. new photos
of the flooded locations? |
Your own eyes? How often do you get to see the sea in Abreojos? Abreojos Amigo. |
I don't other than a couple times and that is why I asked for photos... You live there (sometimes, right?) so a photo of a once dry region going
underwater is not worth taking? Why don't you and Goat want us to see photos of this higher (than normal for winter) sea level?
What a great article, thank you!
Here's just a small part from the center of it...
"My latest project was a field expedition to India, to the coast of Goa, combining observations with archeological information. Our findings are
straightforward: there is no ongoing sea level rise. The sea level there has been stable for the last 50 years or so, after falling some 20cm in
around 1960; it was well below the present level in the 18th century and some 50 to 60cm above the present in the 17th century. So it is clear that
sea levels rise and fall entirely independently of so-called ‘climate change’."
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The point is, I use my own eyes to see and don't blindly follow populist articles and blogs. Why is the sea rising in Abreojos and Magdalena but
nowhere in the gulf or Southern California? The only thing that fits is land sinking in those couple spots (which is mentioned in Ralph's link). Did
you read the article? I have lived on or near the beach for most of my 58 years and have yet to see a higher sea level. Where's the old vs. new photos
of the flooded locations? |
Your own eyes? How often do you get to see the sea in Abreojos? Abreojos Amigo. |
I don't other than a couple times and that is why I asked for photos... You live there (sometimes, right?) so a photo of a once dry region going
underwater is not worth taking? Why don't you and Goat want us to see photos of this higher (than normal for winter) sea level?
What a great article, thank you!
Here's just a small part from the center of it...
"My latest project was a field expedition to India, to the coast of Goa, combining observations with archeological information. Our findings are
straightforward: there is no ongoing sea level rise. The sea level there has been stable for the last 50 years or so, after falling some 20cm in
around 1960; it was well below the present level in the 18th century and some 50 to 60cm above the present in the 17th century. So it is clear that
sea levels rise and fall entirely independently of so-called ‘climate change’."
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I live here most of the year. And I will put up a photo tomorrow....even though you will b-tch about it.
People, when will you quit listening to the expert who only goes to Mexico one week a year. He thinks posting on the internet makes you
important...IT IS THE OPPOSITE.
Foto of salt flat mangroves tomorrow.
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