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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista  | Dave-
remember tectonic plates are also shifting along fault lines, and lifting up the land in places. So not only is the sea level lower, but the land is
also higher in places.
Just observe the 'wave cut terraces" on the west coast of Baja, showing the "steps" where the sea level has literally cut terraces into the land at
various elevations. Then look at the uplift on the east coast, where the subduction of plates along the San Andreas fault line is lifting/tilting the
entire peninsula.
So- all these ancient sea beds are at various elevations not only due to sea level changes, but tectonic plate dynamics/geologic shifting.
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | ...
The sea lever used to be 600 feet higher than now... I can show you fossil sea shells at 600 foot elevation points in the desert near San Felipe and
the Imperial Valley. When the sea really does rise, it will be just going back to where it was a few million years ago. |
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I discussed this before... some fossils are high in the mountains that are thrust up from plate tectonics... they are very OLD fossils. The fossils
near San Felipe and El Centro are young fossils (less than 10 million years) and are not on upthrusted mountains but on hills next to flat desert
(former sea bottom).
Why is it so important to believe in doom that to believe things are normal? Real doom comes from a volcano in your village or a tidal wave hitting
your island... not "man-made" climate change. But, that is just my opinion. Be happy and don't worry over things you can do nothing about for some
people who have an agenda the includes taking more of your money for their predictions.
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/Nils-Axel-Morner-wrong-about...
Wrong. Nice try though. 
MAGA
marooons Are Governing America
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I live in San Diego County (it's on the water) and I was eating lunch OVER the Pacific ocean yesterday with my wife (Ruby's on the pier in Oceanside).
There were some big swells under the pier (UNDER).
That pier and the ones before it is STILL just as far above those swells as 50 years ago and people are enjoying being on it. It is still way above
the sea.
Please do show photos of a marsh or flood that has not flooded before in Winter. Post an old photo of when it was dry.
Again, per YOUR article, some areas of the world along a coast are dropping in elevation. So, be open-minded enough to accept that kind of reality
since the sea level in Mulegé, San Felipe, and Oceanside are the same as 50 years ago.
Thank you!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | I live in San Diego County (it's on the water) and I was eating lunch OVER the Pacific ocean yesterday with my wife (Ruby's on the pier in Oceanside).
There were some big swells under the pier (UNDER).
That pier and the ones before it is STILL just as far above those swells as 50 years ago and people are enjoying being on it. It is still way above
the sea.
Please do show photos of a marsh or flood that has not flooded before in Winter. Post an old photo of when it was dry.
Again, per YOUR article, some areas of the world along a coast are dropping in elevation. So, be open-minded enough to accept that kind of reality
since the sea level in Mulegé, San Felipe, and Oceanside are the same as 50 years ago.
Thank you! |
Real people experiencing Real problems in the article. They are asking you to openb your eyes. Abreojos. They already know your mind is well.....
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 (thanx elgatoloco)
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Tough Tidal Times
IF ocean levels haven't risen enough to account for the destructive inundation by Killer Tides, the answer seems obvious.
Global Warming is causing the Moon to MOVE !
I think that Al Gore may have predicted that.
Or, maybe, Al Sharpton.
An alternate explanation "could" be that the Apollo landings caused a delayed disruption in its orbit.
Quien Sabe ?
Which brings to mind a possible solution.
We (U.S., Europe, Russia, Etc) could develop a program to launch Lunar missions with the goal of shifting the Moon to compensate for destructive
tides.
You'd have to get the Math right, of course.
"Close enough for Government Work" wouldn't Work.
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Be happy and don't worry over things you can do nothing about for some people who have an agenda the includes taking more of your money for their
predictions
Point here is that something CAN be done NOW. Obviously you have no children and care not of the lives they will live in 50 years. And obviously you
are immune to doing your part to at least acknowledge the effect of humans in this equation. Basically useless human being in the important scheme of
these things I would guess. Kinda lame.
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When The Sun Goes Down. The Tide Goes Out...........
" The people all gather round and shout
Hey hey Uncle Dud it's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi mud.
It's a treat to beat your feet on the Mississippi mud.
What a dance do they do Lordy how I'm telling you They don't need no band They keep time by clapping their hands.
Just as happy as a cow chewing on a cud just to beat their feet on the Mississippi mud "
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Go read some of the stuff here: http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html
The web site even describes how sea levels are measured. They don't mention photographing Palm trees as a measurement method.
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Some movements of the Earth's crust are less subtle than others.
http://www.geo.arizona.edu/~nhartnes/alaska/uplift.html
Edit; Montague Island is about fifty miles long, and about five miles wide
[Edited on 2-15-2016 by AKgringo]
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Sounds
familiar:
"3) He places great emphasis his own observations, where trees along the coast are reliable evidence."
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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| Quote: Originally posted by baron | Be happy and don't worry over things you can do nothing about for some people who have an agenda the includes taking more of your money for their
predictions
Point here is that something CAN be done NOW. Obviously you have no children and care not of the lives they will live in 50 years. And obviously you
are immune to doing your part to at least acknowledge the effect of humans in this equation. Basically useless human being in the important scheme of
these things I would guess. Kinda lame.
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i could not agree more. what i find most interesting is the "logic" employed by those who deny real science, and instead choose willful ignorance
and consider it part and parcel of the conservative, regressive dogma "package"
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So Far So Good ?
Looking around below Sea Level (in Calexico) last week, things looked OK. No apparent change.
The Salton Sea, too.
No Tidal worries here.
" First the tide rushes in
Plants a kiss on the shore
Then rolls out to sea
And the sea is very still once more"
[Edited on 2-15-2016 by MrBillM]
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Our house is near fish camp in Punta Chivato. In previous years the reef out front was exposed at low tide and had so much pelican poop that the
water was too cloudy for snorkeling. Last October the reef was never exposed so the pelicans could not land there to poop. Snorkeling was better
than ever. Was this from higher tides, or could it be that low tide was in the dark? Guess I'll find out in May...
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There is a reef off of the Santispac beach between two of the close-by islands that is usually sticking a bit above water, making it easy to see. I
have a boat that I use in the bay a lot so I'm always on the lookout for it. This past fall and early winter, it seemed to be submerged by a small
amount much more often than usual making it an unseen navigation hazard.
I'm not imagining this, nor the partially submerged roads around the bay that I posted about earlier. I'm convinced the water level is higher in the
bay. Why, I'm not sure. Thermal expansion, sea level rise, currents, winds, unusually high low tides could all explain what I've observed.
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David K
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It will be sad to see Pompano's beach house and the others built just inches above the high tide line become abandoned, as they must be underwater now
or close?
Oh well, that is what the animals and humans have always done, adapt or die when climate changes, as it always has.
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Good Advice
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."...........Abraham Lincoln
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The Good News IS - The Earth SUCKS
More.
Lately.
According to the L.A. [Socialist Peoples Daily] Times, Tuesday, 16 Feb, the reason that the "forecast" (imagined ?) sea levels haven't risen as fast
as anticipated by the (dubious) science is that the Land Masses have been absorbing more of what would normally runoff into the oceans.
Which is GOOD News, right ?
IF we construct facilities to catch more and more runoff, we can stop worrying about sea-level rise.
No Worries, Mate.
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Interesting article in the new york times today:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/23/science/sea-level-rise-...
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