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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabuddha
Two different statements claiming 'water tables and gas tables are thousands of feet apart' are flat wrong, misleading, and faux-babble. Each
location is entirely different; in southwestern Wyoming I had a geologist tell me the oil-tables are only a few hundred feet deep, and in Mexican Hat,
Utah they still pump oil from as shallow as 50 feet. Thirty miles east of there, it's four thousand feet down; so don't lump all into one category.
Fracking is designed to shatter a LOT of rock to release gas, and the current theories (yes, just theories) of earthquakes show they pressurize and
FRACTURE large areas of rock, not just a little bit, and the gas filters through once IM-permeable layers that are now PERMEABLE from fracking.
Ain't just one well, either; the gas companies lease out several square miles of land and farms and acreage and do hundreds of wells at a time so the
rock displacement is immense.
The sink-lighting trick, as well as stock-tank stink, bad coloration and total unusable once-culinary well water has been documented from Pennsylvania
to Wyoming and Colorado, and several mid-western States. It's not a 'theory' like global climate change, it's a money-driven fact.
Don't lump 'those anti-frackers' all together like 'lib-tards'. Ostriches are pretty useless birds themselves. |
You see, here is a case where if you don't think a little about what was said, the reply can make up all sorts of variations!
1) I never said oil and water levels are always thousands of feet apart, that is just dumb.
2) You don't need to 'frack' where the oil is close, or easy to extract.
3) Fracking is technology that can access oil from places previously impossible to get oil from, and not anywhere near ground water we use for
drinking.
It's a great new hope for American freedom and prosperity, and safe where ever it has been operating. Are some of you not happy until we are as poor
as we can get and as dependent on the rest of the world for what we need?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajabuddha
Two different statements claiming 'water tables and gas tables are thousands of feet apart' are flat wrong, misleading, and faux-babble. Each
location is entirely different; in southwestern Wyoming I had a geologist tell me the oil-tables are only a few hundred feet deep, and in Mexican Hat,
Utah they still pump oil from as shallow as 50 feet. Thirty miles east of there, it's four thousand feet down; so don't lump all into one category.
Fracking is designed to shatter a LOT of rock to release gas, and the current theories (yes, just theories) of earthquakes show they pressurize and
FRACTURE large areas of rock, not just a little bit, and the gas filters through once IM-permeable layers that are now PERMEABLE from fracking.
Ain't just one well, either; the gas companies lease out several square miles of land and farms and acreage and do hundreds of wells at a time so the
rock displacement is immense.
The sink-lighting trick, as well as stock-tank stink, bad coloration and total unusable once-culinary well water has been documented from Pennsylvania
to Wyoming and Colorado, and several mid-western States. It's not a 'theory' like global climate change, it's a money-driven fact.
Don't lump 'those anti-frackers' all together like 'lib-tards'. Ostriches are pretty useless birds themselves. |
You see, here is a case where if you don't think a little about what was said, the reply can make up all sorts of variations!
1) I never said oil and water levels are always thousands of feet apart, that is just dumb.
2) You don't need to 'frack' where the oil is close, or easy to extract.
3) Fracking is technology that can access oil from places previously impossible to get oil from, and not anywhere near ground water we use for
drinking.
It's a great new hope for American freedom and prosperity, and safe where ever it has been operating. Are some of you not happy until we are as poor
as we can get and as dependent on the rest of the world for what we need? |
First David, I never mentioned you by name. Please, don't call me 'dumb'. I'm aware of the need of fuel, just that the eminent Powers That Be aren't
conducting their work in a safe and proper manner, they've had carte blanche and need 'watchdogs', because money and power know no sympathy or care
who they hurt for a profit. I'm not as concerned about running out of natural gas as I am water; it's a much more valuable resource. I'm happy my
sink isn't catching fire. And you're only happy when espousing your 'American Freedom and Prosperity' philosophy; besides, it ain't your sink, well,
farm or ranch........ yet.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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David K
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Sorry, but since I didn't mention you by name, I didn't call YOU dumb.
Sorry if you don't like what I post, it isn't personal.
Have a nice day.
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...principles over personalities,,,,,I'd say sure,yes,.....IF procedures and cautions are taken seriously,,then there's a -possibility- that -some- of
the fracking procedure is more fruitful than damaging......BUT there's just WAYYYY too much evidence that fracking is being treated like the next
goldrush,and all precautions are NOT being taken.
....it's definitely not a good sign that when people raise -serious- concerns in a highly democratic constituency such as canada and the US,they are
treated with all the lawyer tactics and marginalization that's been brought to bear upon them.....I findit hard to believe that those fracking greediy
idiot$ will suddenly start acting responsibly once they're let loose on mexico!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Sorry, but since I didn't mention you by name, I didn't call YOU dumb.
Sorry if you don't like what I post, it isn't personal.
Have a nice day. |
I see the poster boy for idiocy has kicked into gear again. I'm sure he has lots of rig experience as a yard boy.
One of the initial fields fracked in Wyoming was in the area I grew up. There are multiple examples of ground water contamination of both fracing
fluids and the well products, oil and gas. They dropped from 40 acre well pads to 10 acre pads and the land is dotted with pads. They are all
connected by a spider web of dirt roads. And if you think having one of those roads available on public land is a good thing, try riding your moto
towards an oncoming pumper truck who is driving 80 mph with gravel flying off both sides of his truck. BTW, did I mention that the test rates for the
workers show 60% meth usage? Oil and gas booms come with a cost that I'm not willing to pay.....
Haha....you notice I didn't call anyone a real idiot so don't take it personally....
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When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
.......... BTW, did I mention that the test rates for the workers show 60% meth usage? |
Had any sheetrock work done lately???
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micah202
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
One of the initial fields fracked in Wyoming was in the area I grew up. There are multiple examples of ground water contamination of both fracing
fluids and the well products, oil and gas. |
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...yeh,,,but they're so much better now--only nicey nicey fracking!
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George: "FRACK THE FRACKIN' FRACKERS."
Bonnie: "George, you say 'FRACK' too much".
George: "Frack you."
..... George Washington Hayduke and Bonnie Abzug in "The Monkey Wrench Gang".
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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referring back to the original post,,,,
........now that some time has passed,,, I'm hoping those senators in Mex are having some 2nd thoughts over fracking  ........here's word from some of the same places they ....''showed that fracking
could be done in a safe manner.'' 
http://www.cbc.ca/news/thenational/do-fracking-activities-ca...
....definitely worth a watch. 
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[Edited on 4-28-2016 by micah202]
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Rock-n-Roll 
Hope Gypsy Jan is OK. 
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Drinking water tables are shallow and natural energy sources (fossil fuels) are VERY deep, otherwise water wells would all be spewing gas and oil.
Fracking is human technology that solves our energy needs in this period of converting from fossil fuel to some yet undiscovered or unrealized energy
supply that can power all the things that fossil fuels power.
We can stop importing oil from countries that are less than friendly to all free people and have an economic boom (and not just in North Dakota and
other fracking regions) by accepting high tech energy extraction methods.
Instead of listening to drama and name calling, put your country back on the top by supporting American (and Mexican) modern energy sources.  |
Anyone know the source of the LNG being brought in to the Seimpra Energy LNG plant just north of Ensenada by tankers? Wonder how much of that comes
from fracking? How much of it is piped to the US?
[Edited on 4-28-2016 by durrelllrobert]
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A 1/2 hour of reading about shale oil/gas fracking indicates there are three substantial environmental concerns:
1. A depletion of fresh water from the aquifers caused by the tremendous amounts of water needed to perform the fracking.
2. Pollution of the aquifers resulting from fracking waste water injection back into the ground. (A large percentage of the water used to perform the
fracking comes back up polluted with the other chemicals used, this is the waste water.)
3. Earthquakes resulting from the waste water injection.
Also:
"The researchers [who hailed from Duke, Ohio State, Dartmouth, the University of Rochester and Stanford] say the source of the methane in homes they
surveyed in Pennsylvania and Texas was not the act of hydraulic fracturing itself, but was due rather to cracks in the steel casing or flaws in the
cement of the wells that are meant to protect groundwater sources from contamination. In other words, with adequate safety measures, these
contaminations could be prevented."
http://www.newsweek.com/fracking-wells-tainting-drinking-wat...
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Re: 'adequate safety measures'
Google 'fracking loophole'
F*^cking amazing 
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| Quote: Originally posted by durrelllrobert |
Anyone know the source of the LNG being brought in to the Seimpra Energy LNG plant just north of Ensenada by tankers? Wonder how much of that comes
from fracking? How much of it is piped to the US?
[Edited on 4-28-2016 by durrelllrobert] |
Most of it comes from Indonesia. Plant not being utilized fully.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Azul_LNG
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | A 1/2 hour of reading about shale oil/gas fracking indicates there are three substantial environmental concerns::::::
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....there's a 4th,, and it's a biggie.....
4...methane leak-off was thought to be ~1 or 2% of production..........
.... BUT IT'S MORE LIKE 6-8% OF PRODUCTION!!
.......thats a LOT of cow farts!
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=...
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[Edited on 4-28-2016 by micah202]
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That suks big time. It's incredible the fracking companies are exempt from the clean water laws and don't need to reveal the chemicals they are
injecting into the ground - trade secrets you see.
Energy Policy Act of 2005
They wouldn't need the exemptions if it was a safe process.
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Yuba City is in the Sacramento Valley, the area drained by the Sacramento River. I went to school at UC Davis at the southern end of the Sacramento
Valley and bordering the Delta region. South of the of the Delta is the San Joaquin Valley, the area drained by the San Joaquin River.
The whole area is called the Central Valley, from Redding in the north to Bakersfield in the south. I worked summers when I was in school and
traveled most of the valley working on agricultural projects. One thing I know for sure is that it is HOT in the summer and hottest at the northern
and southern ends. Coolest is the Delta region because breezes blow in from the San Francisco Bay area. Not taking a side in the the fracking
controversy, only want to be clear on the geography.
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...interesting to hear how DK and DT and the head-in-sand club are doing on this,,, now that it's 2 years later and true science is becoming hard to
avoid and discredit.
...ahh,, f'gettit
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=75851
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What's interesting to me is that you have to dig up a 2 year old post to run back up the flag pole for you and the other "the sky is falling" group to
salute. I was out fishing, you know, doing something.....how about getting off the couch and getting some fresh air, might find something interesting
to do or see....or you can just stay there surfing the internet with the rest of the trolls, your choice....
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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The Mexican Government, by militarizing their police and privatizing many projects are in a position of power to do what they wish and line their
pockets.
But, the people are fighting back, with more fervor than in the U.S. where the government has been successful in dividing the populace and egging them
on to conquer themselves.
This article provides an outlook on the people vs the “haves” with their personal army.
https://itsgoingdown.org/deepening-police-violence-mexico-le...
I have wondered how it came to be that Mexico has such a human and natural resource potential undeveloped for the people and now have an inkling of
the part the U.S. has played for the “haves” and is now playing with the oil resource.
Why 62 people in the world have the amount of wealth of the lowest one-half of all humanity; why a person in business in Mexico could become the
richest man in the world.
It is becoming clear to me now, and the people are fighting back.
Several victories for social movements in Mexico were recounted in the Insumisión posted on March 17. This edition focuses on the state’s response,
which in the first part of April has been expressed through two of the state’s inherent qualities: force and coercion.
https://itsgoingdown.org/insumision-state-responds-force/
“In between these companies and their loot, lies an impediment to the realization of surplus value—the dignified resistance of the people of Mexico,
who in the face of continued repression, harassment, and violence, stand strong in defence of mother earth and their territory.”
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