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Baja Del Mar (Rosarito) property dispute
According to the some home owners on facebook, the Homeowners in Baja Del Mar in Rosarito have lost their court case and are being evicted from the
properties. Apparently the original owner sold the property twice. Claimed loss: $500k per house. Most owners expats from the USA.
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what a mess! and one of the nicest campo's here......
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Court cases in Mexico are rarely decided on the merits of the case. Deeper pockets win!
One would think it would be very easy to prove that a landowner sold a property twice. How did it get past the notarios, the bank trust departments,
etc.?
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Fraude a Residentes del Fraccionamiento Baja del Mar.
Juez federal ordena desalojo de todo un fraccionamiento
* Los residentes del fraccionamiento han vivido ahí por más de 20 años, entre ellos nacionales y extranjeros.
* Por el fideicomiso pagaron más de 300 mil dólares y ahora están a punto de perder sus casas y el valor de su inversión.
Playas de Rosarito, Baja California, 4 de Julio 2016. -La sentencia del juez federal es concreta. Ordena darle posesión de los terrenos, del
fraccionamiento Baja del Mar, al de nombre Julio Antonio Ochoa Zepeda. Así lo ordenó el titular del Juzgado Segundo de Distrito en Materia de Amparo y
de Juicios Federales en el Estado de Baja California, con residencia en Tijuana. La orden judicial pone en riesgo la propiedad de predios y de un
número similar de familias que ahora están a punto de perder su patrimonio.
El fraccionamiento en cuestión está en la costa de Rosarito, exactamente frente al Centro de Convenciones, por su ubicación se convirtió en uno de los
predios más codiciados por su valor comercial. De hecho, el proyecto de inversión para instalar el parque de diversiones Six Flags requiere de un
estacionamiento, solamente puede lograrse al desalojar y derrumbar todas las casas de dicho fraccionamiento en litigio.
La mayoría de las personas que ahí residen son personas norteamericanas, en calidad de retiradas y en las más de las veces pertenecen a la tercera
edad. De acuerdo a la versión de los afectados por la acción de juez federal, ellos compraron asegurándoles que no había ningún problema con la
tierra.
Sin embargo es otro hecho que se suma a los despojos que realizan con alguna ayuda de la autoridad, uno a uno se van sumando los casos, todos injustos
y que dejan en estado de indefensión a los agraviados.
El más grave y sonado fue el de Lengüeta Arenosa, en Ensenada, donde elementos de la Policía Federal Preventiva (PFP) participaron en el cumplimiento
de desalojo de todos los residentes de aquel lugar, fue una situación que estuvo a punto de conflicto internacional por el número de afectados. En el
caso de Rosarito, sin lugar a dudas será otro hecho que afectará las inversiones y al mercado inmobiliario que orienta la venta de departamentos,
casas y predios a un sector extranjero. Kasey Cooney tomó la voz en defensa de su propio derecho, otros residentes también comentaron a este medio que
están dispuestos a vender sus propiedades si se les paga el valor justo.
Entre sus investigaciones, los residentes encontraron que sus lotes, los terrenos de sus casas se convertirán en el patio del Parque Six Flags.
El origen del conflicto
Roberto Vallín otorgó las posesiones, luego por problemas económicos hipotecó el terreno donde nacionales y extranjeros ya construían sus casas. El
plan era constituir un fideicomiso para dotar de legalidad y certeza jurídica a los que construían su patrimonio, sin embargo Julio Antonio Ochoa
Zepeda compró la deuda, de hecho compró los lotes en un remate.
Ante el problema social, Ochoa Zepeda llegó al acuerdo de hacer un fideicomiso con los residentes, en total tuvieron que pagar 300 mil dólares a
efectos que ellos pudieran hacer los trámites necesarios para la cesión de derechos.
Supuestamente ya todo había quedado legal. En el Registro Público de la Propiedad aparece el nombre de Julio Antonio Ochoa Zepeda, quien cometiendo
fraude inició una serie de trámites para quedarse con todas las propiedades asentadas en dicho fraccionamiento.
De esta manera Ochoa Zepeda solicitó un amparo al juez del Juzgado Segundo de Distrito en Materia de Amparo para lograr la posesión de la propiedad y
este se la concedió, ordenando al Juez de Rosarito que se le fuera entregada la famosa posesión.
Cabe decir que el juez en materia civil de Playas Rosarito intentó disuadir al Juez Federal, porque en lo local se ventila el juicio pero no fue
posible convencer al juez federal, ante la orden federal los residentes enfrentan un desalojo masivo sin sustento de justicia.
En caso de poder lograr la nulidad de la orden judicial, al mismo tiempo enfrentan otro juicio con el Ejido Mazatlán, que también reclama el predio
como suyo.
Al comprar terrenos, la historia se vuelve a repetir para los extranjeros, los dejan que construyan sus hogares para luego despojarles con la mano en
la cintura.
Antecedentes
El 30 de octubre del año 2000, se ejecutó la orden de la Suprema Corte de Justicia de la Nación (SCJN) que ordenó restituir 18 hectáreas a favor de
Purúa Punta Estero S. A., donde se perdieron 200 hogares de extranjeros por valor de casi medio millón de dólares cada uno.
En aquel entonces, el representante consular de los Estados Unidos de América en Baja California, Richard Rodríguez, actuó a favor de sus nacionales,
pero con un irrestricto respeto a las leyes mexicanas, pero el Departamento de Estado recomendó retirarse pero a sus connacionales los llamó “víctimas
de una disputa entre dos grupos mexicanos por la tenencia de la tierra”.
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Does the article say a Six Flags Amusement Park is going to be built?
Entre sus investigaciones, los residentes encontraron que sus lotes, los terrenos de sus casas se convertirán en el patio del Parque Six
Flags.
[Edited on 7-5-2016 by SFandH]
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The homeowners should check and see if one of the Cartels would be interested in taking the case.
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Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  | Does the article say a Six Flags Amusement Park is going to be built?
Entre sus investigaciones, los residentes encontraron que sus lotes, los terrenos de sus casas se convertirán en el patio del Parque Six
Flags.
[Edited on 7-5-2016 by SFandH] |
Yes, and apparently they want this land for a parking lot.
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Punta Banda redux. Careful who you trust out there.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Does the article say a Six Flags Amusement Park is going to be built?
Entre sus investigaciones, los residentes encontraron que sus lotes, los terrenos de sus casas se convertirán en el patio del Parque Six
Flags.
[Edited on 7-5-2016 by SFandH] |
Yes, and apparently they want this land for a parking lot.
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A google search returns some news articles about the six flags project, all pretty much the same. I wonder if the die has been cast or if it's still
all talk.
https://www.google.com.mx/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&...
Looks like it's boom time in the TJ - Ensenada corridor once again. Like it was before the drug wars and recession. I noticed a sign on the new condo
development at the Real Del Mar exit just south of TJ that all the condos are sold.
There's money out there. Hope the homeowners who are battling eviction get a good buck if they have to go.
[Edited on 7-5-2016 by SFandH]
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Wonder if "El mano negro " is involved?...it's just his style....
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Some of the evicted owners in Punta Banda continued to be bled by attorneys who made big promises.
All of the tenants got zero.
I see no difference in these situations.
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Did the owners at Punta Banda have fideicomisos? How about these folks at Baja Del Mar?
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Perhaps the point should be who do WE trust out there?
Udo
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Never buy property in Mexico that would devastate you to walk away from... I had been told by many, many who have and have learned that lesson.
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There were some in Punta Banda who had a fideicomiso and they lost everything. A few years back I had an opportunity to have a very brief conversation
with one of the evicting principals. I began our discussion with, "What about those with fidis?"
His reply....."Well.....you see....there are different types of fideicomiso." It was like, "Here's what happened" in ten words. It was an orchestrated
scheme.
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Just don't put yourself in a position where you have to rely on trust. Due diligence is your responsibility.
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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Dittos and that is a very difficult task in Baja ... just saying
[Edited on 7-6-2016 by wessongroup]
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Does the article say a Six Flags Amusement Park is going to be built?
Entre sus investigaciones, los residentes encontraron que sus lotes, los terrenos de sus casas se convertirán en el patio del Parque Six
Flags.
[Edited on 7-5-2016 by SFandH] |
Yes, and apparently they want this land for a parking lot.
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beautiful oceanfront property earmarked for a parking lot on the other side of the road?? that doesn't make any sense?
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Never buy property in Mexico that would devastate you to walk away from... I had been told by many, many who have and have learned that lesson.
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I hear this stated ocassionally.
Baja is always a gamble. It's a modern day wildwest with all the risks that come with it.
I have seen great sucesses and astonishing failures and the wasn't alot of difference between the 2 in some cases about what the people did
differently.
I have alot of my eggs in my particular basket. I'm betting the farm as they say.
As I said when I started this it is either the smartest thing I'v ever done of the dumbest. And I won't know until it's over.
You can research it diligently and never have all the info you need unless your are a mexican lawyer with time and access to every record everywhere.
So go live in a trailer on lease land or try and buy a niece piece of land and build yourself a decent place to live.
You guys know I lost my boat. I did all the paperwork so there was no great loss. But I was emotionally devastated forsure and I'm still licking my
wounds.
I needed to take a bit of risk and it should have been ok. But I couldn't sleep in it. I needed to work etc.
I pushed a bit too hard and lesson learned.
Get as much info as possible and make your decision.
And good luck to you. Follow your dream.
[Edited on 7-6-2016 by fishbuck]
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| Quote: Originally posted by willardguy | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Does the article say a Six Flags Amusement Park is going to be built?
Entre sus investigaciones, los residentes encontraron que sus lotes, los terrenos de sus casas se convertirán en el patio del Parque Six
Flags.
[Edited on 7-5-2016 by SFandH] |
Yes, and apparently they want this land for a parking lot.
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beautiful oceanfront property earmarked for a parking lot on the other side of the road?? that doesn't make any sense? |
Actually it does. For places like six flags, parking is valuable property.
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