| rdrrm8e 
 
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| Pacific Bio Reserve...MPA? 
 
 Has anyone seen this news story that just came out? Does it cover every island on the Pacific coast of Baja?
 
 Will it end recreational sportfishing on the Pacific coast?
 
 
 http://ens-newswire.com/2016/12/06/mexico-safeguards-vast-st...
 
 Specifically the Pacific Biosphere Reserve?
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 Mexico cant even police their inshore waters from illegal fishing. How would they ever police these vast areas?
 
 I did notice that non-trawl fishing and MINING (such an environmentally friendly operation in a marine reserve) will be allowed.
 
 I doubt much will change.........except the environmental organizations pushing for this probably gave millions to Mexico to "make it so" on paper.
 
 Gee, I wonder where that money will go???
 
 Color me skeptical.
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 You got me to read some of it, does say 'Mining and fishing will be allowed there, but only without the use of trawling gear outside the strictly
protected core zones, consistent with UN General Assembly resolution'. Does mention it may affect the
 local coopertives, which I assume would be along the coast. I believe there are a few areas
 off the Pacific coast with similiar restrictions allready, the Rhievilados (sp), so. of
 the Cape some 200 mi., have some like designation, boats can
 fish within a few ml. of those Isles. Guadalupe Isle out some
 125 mi. from Ensenada is fished with permit. The sportfishing
 at the Cape seems a good portion of Cabos $$$, not sure
 they would risk the Sportfishing Tourism, not sure of what
 % that represents. Mexico seems
 to embrace the idea of marine protection, Grey Whale Lagoons,
 upper Cortez Vaquita Reserve, I have to applaud them, but I can't
 see a ban on all sportfishing though
 
 
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 The Nature Conservancy has their hands in this. Their's is a policy of scorched earth as far as any fishing goes
 
 Only time will tell I suppose.
 
 Remember the San Diego Long Range fleet decided to play chicken along the coast  this Summer. It got National attention!
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 The Nature Conservancy has their hands in this. Their's is a policy of scorched earth as far as any fishing goes
 
 Only time will tell I suppose.
 
 Remember the San Diego Long Range fleet decided to play chicken with a bunch of pangueros  along the coast  this Summer. It got National attention!
 
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 | Quote: Originally posted by rdrrm8e  |  | Remember the San Diego Long Range fleet decided to play chicken along the coast  this Summer. It got National attention!
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 What happened with that, around SQ wasn't it? I would hope
 the San Diego boats would give the locals first right of refusal,
 kinda of their territory
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 The Governor got involved. It was big news
 
 
 
 
 http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/update-on-the-san-q...
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 Why the griping?
 Any increase in environmental protection is good
 
 
 
 
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 I don't think it can be explained to you.
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 A weekend fishing radio show out of San Diego, last Sat., broadcast from the Cape. They had some Mex Govt. reps
 from Pesca, etc. The subject of the new MPA along the Baja
 was discussed. All Isles are included, from the Cape to the
 Coronados, sportfishing will be allowed, another of those
 $20 dlls fee per yr, will allow one to fish the Isles, go into
 effect in a yr?
 
 
 
 
 
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 "I don't think it can be explained to you"
 Is there something wrong with preventing abuses to natural resources, and the environment?  Along the Baja Pacific Ocean side, apparently will only
prohibit destructive trawling.  Of course you know how detrimental bottom trawling is to the ecosystem.  Apparently oil exploration and drilling will
be prohibited - same as we Californians have been fighting for for years.  Of course you know how detrimental oil in our oceans and on our beaches is
to all living marine life and a viable ecosystem.  If you've ever been to the Quintana Roo coast and seen the tons of rubbish along the beaches, the
hotels cluttering up wildlife corridors and dumping sewage into the bays, polluting coral reefs which are now decimated, it is clear that further
governmental protections are needed.  The world does not exist for you and your 90+- years on earth to exploit as you please, rather, needs our good
stewardship now to attempt to redress the aggregious damage that has occurred, as, and every person on the planet needs what the oceans have to offer
- now and 100, 200, 300 years from now.  I say the protections are not enough, but a beginning.  I contribute to the Nature Conservancy - and up my
contribution this year.
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 I think there is some misunderstanding here, some
 confusion in wording. I can't imagine
 there is anyone on BN that is not in favor of what you
 mention, enjoyment of nature is what we go SOB for.
 But most/all of us drive and consume oil, and there are
 a very few here that would not consume shrimp destructively dredged up from the bottom, although in the Cortez not
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 I am giving up eating shrimp. And there is plenty of oil production in the world right now. Too much by some measures.
 
 
 
 
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 Does anyone know how shrimp are fished for inthe Pacific. When I visited Mag Bay  there was a large panga fleet. But I don't know their method.
 Traps? Nets? Miny trawl rigs?
 
 
 
 
 
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