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here is another question
how do I locate Rancho Los Angeles?
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See the Gulick map. I will give you a Google spot for it later. The old ranch was by the new highway and I noted it in my first logs of '73 and '74.
Now, the Gulick 1962 map with some new roads drawn in:
The 2003 Almanac (Inegi) has it on the other side of the highway:
[Edited on 7-26-2019 by David K]
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OK, found it:
27° 29.063'N, 113° 17.703'W
From my 1973 notes, it was 12.6 miles from the junction to Ejido Vizcaino... Now, the junction to Bahia Tortugas since Vizcaino grew up at the old
junction to where it was first established.
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Howard Gulick photos
Pumping water at Los Angeles, April 20, 1959
Well at Los Angeles, April 20, 1959
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1970 Cliff Cross Baja Guide
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good job, David!
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Gracias, Harald!
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amazing how much (and how little) Baja has changed
depending on the terrain, a road from 60 years ago may have completely vanished and in some places El Camino Real from 260 years ago is still visible.
But then of course there is the animal factor.
Animals love man made trails - they follow them long after the humans are gone. Plus it may have been an animal trail from the start where the padres
laid out their camino.
So, the animal use of today keeps ancient human trails visible.
Or not.
Like many of the bulldozed roads of the early 1900's. They did not follow animal travel routes. Therefore animals today don't not use them and don't
keep them visible.
On numerous occasions when I went out to rediscover old roads I follow a clearly visible path for some miles - and then there are bushes and trees
everywhere. No more clear path. But looking for strong animal tracks will reveal the path of the old road. Some bush trimming and cactus cutting might
be required. But I have always found what I was looking for
see the animal track on this forgotten mining trail?
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Sweet ride on the mine road, worth a pretty penny now
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strong companion
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Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  | amazing how much (and how little) Baja has changed
depending on the terrain, a road from 60 years ago may have completely vanished and in some places El Camino Real from 260 years ago is still visible.
But then of course there is the animal factor.
Animals love man made trails - they follow them long after the humans are gone. Plus it may have been an animal trail from the start where the padres
laid out their camino.
So, the animal use of today keeps ancient human trails visible.
Or not.
Like many of the bulldozed roads of the early 1900's. They did not follow animal travel routes. Therefore animals today don't not use them and don't
keep them visible.
On numerous occasions when I went out to rediscover old roads I follow a clearly visible path for some miles - and then there are bushes and trees
everywhere. No more clear path. But looking for strong animal tracks will reveal the path of the old road. Some bush trimming and cactus cutting might
be required. But I have always found what I was looking for
see the animal track on this forgotten mining trail?
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It is a shame that when nature manages to grow back and cover an old road scar some flock head comes along and slashes brush so he can drink beer in
his silly jeep and drive drunk to seek cheap thrills trampling nature and drive his little jeep over bumps to prove his small penis is bigger than it
really is.
Woke!
Hands off!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Pronoun: the royal we
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | amazing how much (and how little) Baja has changed
depending on the terrain, a road from 60 years ago may have completely vanished and in some places El Camino Real from 260 years ago is still visible.
But then of course there is the animal factor.
Animals love man made trails - they follow them long after the humans are gone. Plus it may have been an animal trail from the start where the padres
laid out their camino.
So, the animal use of today keeps ancient human trails visible.
Or not.
Like many of the bulldozed roads of the early 1900's. They did not follow animal travel routes. Therefore animals today don't not use them and don't
keep them visible.
On numerous occasions when I went out to rediscover old roads I follow a clearly visible path for some miles - and then there are bushes and trees
everywhere. No more clear path. But looking for strong animal tracks will reveal the path of the old road. Some bush trimming and cactus cutting might
be required. But I have always found what I was looking for
see the animal track on this forgotten mining trail?
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It is a shame that when nature manages to grow back and cover an old road scar some flock head comes along and slashes brush so he can drink beer in
his silly jeep and drive drunk to seek cheap thrills trampling nature and drive his little jeep over bumps to prove his small penis is bigger than it
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woohoo friday night and goats on his third amstel light and flexing those beer muscles! what a tool 
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never forget
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Maps that show roads is the topic. Goat, maps that show brush is a different subject. All the brush goats eat cannot compare to keeping a road clear
of brush. Roads can be used to rescue hikers in trouble, too! |
religious people can't be reached with arguments
valid for palm trees as well
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Maps that show roads is the topic. Goat, maps that show brush is a different subject. All the brush goats eat cannot compare to keeping a road clear
of brush. Roads can be used to rescue hikers in trouble, too! |
religious people can't be reached with arguments
valid for palm trees as well
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I agree!
You figure if the high tide is 2 feet below a palm in 1949 and 2 feet below in 2017, anyone could see there is no catastrophic sea level change
happening now, right?
Have a great day!
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I don't know where this catastrophic sea level change idea is coming from
most things in nature happen very very slowly
like the temperature is rising very slowly (man made or not aside)
that does not translate into a visible sea level change (yet)
part of what scientists do is - predict
so, IF the temperature keeps rising at the rate it is doing right now
then, by 2100, sea levels could have risen by 3 feet
all humans make mistakes
scientists, too
early calculations and predictions were indeed sensational
we know today they were way off
so, your palm trees will be OK for another few decades, David
to use their status to prove that there is no warming trend is ridiculous though
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | I don't know where this catastrophic sea level change idea is coming from
most things in nature happen very very slowly
like the temperature is rising very slowly (man made or not aside)
that does not translate into a visible sea level change (yet)
part of what scientists do is - predict
so, IF the temperature keeps rising at the rate it is doing right now
then, by 2100, sea levels could have risen by 3 feet
all humans make mistakes
scientists, too
early calculations and predictions were indeed sensational
we know today they were way off
so, your palm trees will be OK for another few decades, David
to use their status to prove that there is no warming trend is ridiculous though
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I have NEVER used them for any temperature reasons. They are simply a well-photographed benchmark proving the sea is not rising (at any rate that can
be noticed or being alarmed over), that's it. In 80 years, through huge environmental disasters of the 40's-90's+, it sure hasn't done the sea level
any harm.
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so you are using the palm trees to prove that the sea is not rising
the sea is rising
has been rising
nobody is claiming that the sea level has been rising visible to the naked eye
it has been rising by a few millimeters per year
and it is predicted that it will keep doing that
until in 80 years it may have risen 3 feet
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Yes, and I have never disputed that. The amount of rising is so insignificant and the amount of hysteria over it is what I scoff at.
The sea used to be hundreds of feet higher... Isn't it great that these natural fluctuations are so slow so we have lots of time to adjust to them?
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I give up
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