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gnukid
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FMM is a permit not a Visa, a Visa is not technically required in Mexico.
https://www.bajabound.com/before/permits/visa.php
https://www.discoverbaja.com/fmm-faqs/
https://www.inm.gob.mx/fmme/publico/en/solicitud.html
https://www.mexicomike.com/books/techstuff.htm
https://www.ivisa.com/mexico-blog/how-to-obtain-an-fmm-card-...
https://www.mexperience.com/mexico-essentials/mexico-entry-r...
[Edited on 2-25-2020 by gnukid]
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Thanks gnukid.
It's like they are having a meltdown over accepting this truth.
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You do realize these travel sites copy text from each other, no? I could list 10 saying it's a visa.
Anyone who says it's not a visa is just trying to be cute.
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David K
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Don, your link takes one to the Visa application... for other countries beyond the U.S. or Canada.
See above where I said what a Mexican visa is for vs. an FMM (Tourist Card) is for.
We do not use the visa form you posted because we are getting an FMM.
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Tourist permit?
Since that is what it is for, sounds like we can start calling it that, or "TP" for short.
"TP" could also indicate what to do with it when it expires! 
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Don, your link takes one to the Visa application... for other countries beyond the U.S. or Canada.
See above where I said what a Mexican visa is for vs. an FMM (Tourist Card) is for.
We do not use the visa form you posted because we are getting an FMM.
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Mexico has different visa types, as do most countries.
The FMM is a tourist travel visa. As I said on page one, they also have temp and permanent residency visas.
If Mexico called a Cow a Dog I can see you arguing pointlessly that a Cow isn't a Cow in Mexico. Why do you take these ridiculous positions?
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David K
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I am not worked up... I just like talking to you guys! 
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Its a visa. The english translation of spanish “fmm” is “visa”. truth that!
Visa is the internally-understood (french) word for travel permission document.
Lets talk about something more interesting, how about we talk about the foolishness of measuring sea levels with dk’s family photo albums?
Woke!
Hands off!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | Its a visa. The english translation of spanish “fmm” is “visa”. truth that!
Visa is the internally-understood (french) word for travel permission document.
Lets talk about something more interesting, how about we talk about the foolishness of measuring sea levels with dk’s family photo albums?
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Oh, so you want to go there, do you?
Not just my photos... how about all photos back to the 1930s of the palm tree, just above the high tide line, that 90 years later is no closer to
being in the water.
The palm is not moving... and neither is the high tide line!
This Chicken Little type of hysteria is really getting old!
Shall I post Al Gore's predictions or any other "climate expert's" ... all of which has failed to happen?
When you come to realize that Earth, Nature, and/or God is so much more powerful than man, then you will have total awareness instead of living in
your box of closed ideas from the leftist media who use climate fear to have control over your life and your tax dollars.
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gnukid
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Permit for tourists, TR/PR are visas for residents, Mexican citizenship is for citizens.
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Since college have worked for B2B tech companies that do 50% of their business internationally.
Traveled to visit customers from the get go. Customers were typically large communication equipment manufactures and telcos/mobile operators. First
as a developer and later as an exec running various product lines.
A while back spent 5 years running international marketing for a mid-size company. Had staff in about 8 countries. That job was a blast. Had
"friends" in a lot of cities around the world.
Now a CEO of small tech company. We do about 25% of our business international. I personally look after all our EMEA and AsiaPac reseller partners.
Love to travel. Have done 100's of international trips. Once counted flying on about 70 different airlines.
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Wrong. FMM= Forma Migratoria Multiple. Multiple Migratory Form. That's the translation.
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Wrong.
You only defined the acronym, you did not provide translation from English to Spanish .
The English translation is “visa ‘
Woke!
Hands off!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Pronoun: the royal we
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Goat, you are particularly full of it today.
Here are the accurate Spanish to English translations:
"FMM" in Spanish translates to "FMM" in English
"Forma Migratoria Multiple" in Spanish translates to "Multiple Migration Form" or "Multiple Migratory Form" in English (depending upon the translator)
Not a "Visa" in sight.
See:
https://www.google.com/search?q=translate+english+to+spanish...
https://www.google.com/search?q=translate+english+to+spanish...
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Goat is 100 correct%. In the broader sense, and to a normal human being, it translates to "visa."
Only ppl arguing for the sake of arguing are disputing this.
[Edited on 2-27-2020 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
All the (English, since that's the language here) dictionary definitions I found state that a visa is something added to a traveler's passport, which
would arguably exclude the FMM from that class.
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Many times a Visa is added to a passport, (i.e. China, India, Brazil), but sometimes it is not (i.e. Australia).
Australia calls it an ETA - Electronic Travel Authority. You do the application, but they don't give you anything. They call an ETA a Visa, so
hopefully there aren't a bunch of Japanese ppl on a message board somewhere trying to tell ppl an ETA isn't a Visa. Think about how silly that would
be?
https://usa.embassy.gov.au/visas
Btw, they also have residency visa's separate from the tourist ETA. I wonder where we have seen that before?
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Goat is 100 correct%. In the broader sense, and to a normal human being, it translates to "visa."
Only ppl arguing for the sake of arguing are disputing this.
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No, people who know better are arguing this. As a permanent resident, the FMM that I fill out when I fly in isn't what determines the length of time I
am allowed to stay in the country, which is what a visa does. As a resident, I am not given anything back when I enter through immigration, as a
tourist is. When I fly out, I don't have anything to hand back in- I fill out a new FMM. It is my residency card which determines my status, not the
FMM, which is used purely for statistical purposes, in the case of residents.
But there seem to be a lot of Baja Nomads who think that whatever they believe is true.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
No, people who know better are arguing this. As a permanent resident, the FMM that I fill out when I fly in isn't what determines the length of time I
am allowed to stay in the country, which is what a visa does. As a resident, I am not given anything back when I enter through immigration, as a
tourist is. When I fly out, I don't have anything to hand back in- I fill out a new FMM. It is my residency card which determines my status, not the
FMM, which is used purely for statistical purposes, in the case of residents.
But there seem to be a lot of Baja Nomads who think that whatever they believe is true. |
Read what I wrote above about Australia. You ppl are a) either just arguing to argue or b) have no idea what a visa is and the different variations
of them (even within the same country).
Just like other countries, MX has tourist visas and residency visa's. FMM is a tourist visa. I have had a TR visa before. And yes, it is a
different type and purpose of visa from the FMM. We all know that, so you are stating the obvious.
You have wrapped you head so tightly around MX not explicitly stating it is a Visa, that you can't bring yourself to look at it from a common-sense
vantage point: an FMM is the exact same thing that everyone in the world calls a Tourist Travel Visa. Think about that argument you are trying to
make, and why?
[Edited on 2-28-2020 by JZ]
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Personally, I don't give a rat's ass whether or not a FMM is a "visa" in the larger sense, how similar documents in other countries might be
characterized, or whether a FMM is just a statistical tool.
I know that I am supposed to have one if I am entering Mexico, I know how and where to get one, and that's all I really need to know.
My only point in posting in this thread was to comment on how my good friend Goat sometimes likes to make stuff up out of thin air. Like
translations.
[Edited on 2-27-2020 by Mr. Bills]
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If the whole nonsensical argument got settled once and for all, it is or is not a visa... would a mariposa flapping its wings in the middle of Montana
have any effect on the weather pattern of the western US?
Just about as relevant and would make almost the same amount of sense arguing about it.
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