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pacificobob
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TJ HOSPITAL
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-califo...
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chippy
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I guess nobody thinks this is funny now,
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bajatrailrider
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Was told by doctor and his sister nurse there. Before virus full now people laying in hallways. They work to save the young ones.Old forks secondary
as they know they die.
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RFClark
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Tijuana needs help. The President should move the Mercy back to S.D. to support T.J. there’s a disaster of Biblical Proportions occurring there.
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If he did, haters and the mainstream media would say he's exporting the corona virus to TJ, garantteed. Interesting times, shameful that during a time
of emergency there is little patience for all the people following the best protocol under the circumstances. " OLD FOLKS ( FORKS ) SECONDARY AS THEY
KNOW THEY DIE " welcome to socialism at its finest...
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A friend is a nurse at that hospital. Three weeks ago, I asked her about PPE and ventilators. She reported zero PPE and 16 free ventilators. The
nurses were buying materials to make their own PPE.
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The hospital was always stressed, now people think they need to go to the doctor for the cold or flu when they need to rest and recuperate with soup
and juice. The photos show no sign of extreme crowding, they show normal activity. Pure BS
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Did you see the letter in Spanish below gnukid? The type is tiny so I cannot read it. Anyone know what it says?
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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  | | The hospital was always stressed, now people think they need to go to the doctor for the cold or flu when they need to rest and recuperate with soup
and juice. The photos show no sign of extreme crowding, they show normal activity. Pure BS |
Newkid says covid-19 Patient numbers in TJ is a hoax. No extra people going to hospital. # of sick is normal.
Fake news, hoax, says newkid.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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BajaMama
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It's called triage. They do it in war. They did this recently in Europe. They did it in NYC. This isn't socialism. It is doing the best they can
with what they have. This is the reason for lowering the curve, to have enough equipment to handle ALL the infected, not just those most likely to
survive.
They = medical personnel.
[Edited on 4-12-2020 by BajaMama]
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gnukid
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I have been taking people to the hospital in Mexico regularly for a long time, prior to the virus and during the virus. There are many times the
hospitals are over-crowded hisotriacally and do triage at the entrance and in lobby. I am also in communication with leading doctors, and health
advocates. There is no increase in numbers of people ill with the flu nor increase in deaths year to year. There is actually a decrease from previous
years of cases and decrease in deaths year to year, that is public data. Yes people have the flu and yes people are extremely stressed, poor diet,
isolation and sedentary lifestyle is an extreme health risk. Isolation and sedentary lifestyle and reduced access to healthy food is not a reasonable
approach to reducing impact of flu which is suspect when being promoted by Fauci, WHO etc.
There is no significant threat that is evidenced by changes in health patterns of illnesses and deaths in Baja nor evidenced in other regions, there
is evidence of a recategorization of cofactor existing illnesses as "associated to covid" and hyped fear causing stress and confusion and severe
economic impact.
Millions get the flu yearly, hundreds of thousands die yearly, ranging from 25k-100k in the US alone a first world developed society with advanced
health care, there is no increase in Flu this year.
Here are data points of public sources. You can do your research and use common sense and make up your own mind. I don't care what you think, its your
life.
The percentage of people infected in Wuhan had very few deaths, actually 0.04%
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022434v...
No more deaths in Italy than previous years, the regions affected as epidemic have very poor air quality, older populations with existing illnesses,
poor public health, and history similar patterns of illness
https://www.euromomo.eu/index.html
No spike of illness in Japan
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/20/national/corona...
No increase in Switzerland
https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/punkto-intensivbetten-sind-wir-im...
Demonstrated miscategorization of illness as Covid
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-tho...
uK Studiy shows little increase in deaths associated with Covid
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654
French study Covid Sars II predictions of deaths overestimated
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S092485792...
Covid no more dangerous than typical flu patterns though increase focus is misleading and causing fear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfb-B0BWmo
Why there is increased pressure on health professionals though no actual increases in illness or deaths
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mI9trSm3PY
Correted data shows the covid virus is no more dangerous than the cold or flu between with a death rate associated to existing health issues resulting
in deaths .025%-.625 of infected populations
https://www.niid.go.jp/niid/en/2019-ncov-e/9407-covid-dp-fe-...
US Decreasing number if infections
https://healthweather.us/
EU normal mortality rates or less than average this year
https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html
Wildly different infection rates and mortality show political motivations in reporting of Covid19
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
WHO fails to provide clear guidance on prevention and common associated health issues due to poor diet, lack of exercise, lack of rest, nutritional
deficiency, etc, treatment for flu is vitamins, hot healthy soups, juice, sunshine
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/three-months-into-the-...
Poverty is a primary cause of poor health, many other health issues are far more prevalent and could be addressed though are ignored while excessive
attention is placed on looming epidemic of Covid that failed to occur?
Exaggerated attention is placed n the virus
https://www.oregonlive.com/news/j66j-2020/03/f613d909c86535/...
The history of patented Corona virus is lengthy as various patented viruses resold and marketed for years https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/05/outbreak-continues-c...
Covid has global blo and economic implications, some consider its a bio economic global war
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdd7dtDaYmM
[Edited on 4-13-2020 by gnukid]
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Alm
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To me, this stands out:
"health experts consider that number {304 confirmed cases in BC} to be only a fraction of the total cases because testing is severely limited in Baja
California and Mexico"
This is a 3rd world country. Not enough hospitals and equipment. People don't go to hospitals in numbers because they don't have time, need to
provide for their families. It could get worse in the coming weeks, without money to buy a mask and without proper distancing in this crowded town.
The only thing going for them is that their population is younger than in the US and Europe, they die much less - but they still spread the disease so
it could turn into a lingering yearlong affair.
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the cure if you catch it fast
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gnukid
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| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | To me, this stands out:
"health experts consider that number {304 confirmed cases in BC} to be only a fraction of the total cases because testing is severely limited in Baja
California and Mexico"
This is a 3rd world country. Not enough hospitals and equipment. People don't go to hospitals in numbers because they don't have time, need to
provide for their families. It could get worse in the coming weeks, without money to buy a mask and without proper distancing in this crowded town.
The only thing going for them is that their population is younger than in the US and Europe, they die much less - but they still spread the disease so
it could turn into a lingering yearlong affair. |
Yes many people had the flu, colds, covid19 and recovered, high numbers have recovered with no associated problems which demonstrates that there is no
increased threat of death from previous years. Health issues to be concerned about are obesity, poor diet due to excessive sugar, excess corn and
flour, carbohydrates. lack of broad, diverse fresh vegetables and fruits, meats and fish to provide adequate vitamins, amino acids and essential
minerals. Sedentary seniors who fail to exercise and drink too much alcohol and smoking is the biggest risk to health causing heart disease, cancer,
asthma allergies, etc. Wasting time on the internet when you should be outdoors and moving around and doing something productive for you household and
community.
Warm weather, humidityand reduced populations are reduced risk for flu which is why Baja traditionally has much lower numbers of Flu and risk of
associated deaths from Flu compared to el Norte.
Moreover, people develop antibodies, and RNA replicates rapidly which is our natural defense mechanism to infections of viruses. Isolation and
sedentary lifestyle is contrary to healthy best practices to fight the flu across communities. People need to be together, communicating, dancing,
singing, sharing ideas and be free to move about and stress must be reduced while healthy living must be promoted, not fear, attacking each other,
idiocy, anger, nonsensical orders of isolation and uncertainty. Fauci, WHO, Gates are clearly not working for the overall health of the community, or
they would be communicating clear truthful messages, they are not, they are clearly are working on a false fear based agenda which is a bio meme
economic war on USA and Mexico that has far more danger to our health than the flu. Economic havoc will cause severe harm, to our livelihood, health,
and survival. People need to be free to move and work and be together and not follow nonsensical absurd global bio war memes and be sedentary and
alone.
Use your critical thinking and common sense, go make some soup, have some juice, salads, eat tacos, get some exercise go outside and tell your family
you love them.
[Edited on 4-12-2020 by gnukid]
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Alm
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This is clinical trial Phase 1. To be followed by "blind" Phase 2 and 3 where patients are randomly given the drug or placebo and the results are
compared. Otherwise it is not clear what effect the drug had on the improved symptoms. Btw Chloroquine has side effects - potentially fatal heart
arrhythmia and damage to eyes and nerve system.
Another thing to remember is that nobody knows how long it takes to recover. In China they had patients tested positive, with symptoms, then
"recovered" in a few weeks and after a few months he is tested positive and with symptoms again. The consensus is that those were not re-infected
with a mutated virus (no immunity after recovery) but a long asymptotic course of disease, 2-3 months.
Stay put for as long you can.
[Edited on 4-12-2020 by Alm]
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RFClark
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The problem with conventional conservative treatment in this case is waiting until the disease worsens before beginning drug therapy. By the time it
worsens in those who will require more aggressive treatment ( around 10 days) serious and perhaps fatal damage to the lungs is already done. The time
for medical intervention is early on (day 1 or 2). This is especially true in the “high at risk population”.
It is likely that the “high at risk population” should be treated prophylactically with an antiviral drug. In some of the worst patients who end
up on ventilators with ARDS at least 50% and up to 90% will die depending on their risk factors.
Evidence is mounting that several malarial and Lupus drugs do work prophylactically. They are cheap and when taken correctly less dangerous than
Acetaminophen for most people.
Talk to your Doctor or Pharmacist about this if you are at risk. Tell them what you currently take especially supplements! Don’t self medicate!
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Alm
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid |
Yes many people had the flu, colds, covid19 and recovered, high numbers have recovered with no associated problems which demonstrates that there is no
increased threat of death from previous years. |
Covid-19 deaths compared to seasonal flu.
From the article:
"If divided equally over the course of a year, slightly under 400 New Yorkers {NY state} died each month in 2018 from the flu or pneumonia,
around 167 of whom were in the city...
... from March 1 to March 31 the coronavirus killed ... 1,342 people who died in the state, 914 were in New York City".
Monthly score:
NY state: Flu 400 vs Coronavirus 1,342
NYC: Flu 167 vs Coronavirus 914
Even with adjustment that flu is mostly in the cooler 6 months, it's still 800 vs 1,342 for NY state, 334 vs 914 for NYC.
[Edited on 4-12-2020 by Alm]
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I don’t know why you would even dredge up numbers from March.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
758 died in New York State over the last 24 hours.
The current death toll is 9385, so 8000 in April so far.
Estimated that over 13,000 will pass away and the peak was 3 days ago.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/new-...
This suggests to me it is time to start discussing opening things up even now.
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Alm
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Because March is the only full month of epidemic, so far.
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Because real data matters? Obviously not to some here, and the inability to look at data through a lens of critical thought, thats the big issue.
education matters. Willingness to seek out nd understand - that matters even more.
so some of you need to hurry on and buy Alex Jones Covid proof toothpaste before the dastardly government shuts him down!
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