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Unfortunately the stories in the USA press didnt mention it was a cartel hit so people will just think off road racing is dangerous and this will
cause more folks not to want to visit Baja....tourism is waaaay down for us so this is rather sad. |
The cartel hit was carried out in the middle of a utv fun run, in center of town mid-afternoon on a Saturday… rather brazen of the hit men to choose
that location to attack, such an open and public area.
Of the 10 dead and 9 wounded, how many were bystanders caught in the crossfire?
The people of Mexico need to rise up, and elect politicians that will clean house and run the cartels out of existence. Too many politicians are
owned by cartel. Too many Mexicans accept the cartels and their violence.
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Bajatrailrider is all good and out ridding today.
Goat, what they did was make a very tactical decision based on war tactics. They picked a place where everyone would be getting out of their cars and
grouping together, good call for high causality hit. They aren't worried about collateral damage. As you point out, very little if any repercussions
for them.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by advrider | Bajatrailrider is all good and out ridding today.
Goat, what they did was make a very tactical decision based on war tactics. They picked a place where everyone would be getting out of their cars and
grouping together, good call for high causality hit. They aren't worried about collateral damage. As you point out, very little if any repercussions
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The Mexican people, police and politicians will pretend the massacre never happened. Actually, they don’t pretend it did not happen, they just
don’t care that it happened, happened before, and will happen again. Fiddling while their Rome burns. Confidant and nonchalant about the loss of
their civility, the end of their civil society,… “what, me worry?”
[Edited on 5-22-2023 by mtgoat666]
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There was a similar event today in Tepic, Nayarit (as best as I could tell today off the TV).
There really should be outrage, but fear or bribes keep mouths closed.
We still don't know who kidnapped helpless Mary Ann Humfreville in the middle of the night and nobody in town will volunteer what they know.
Some closure would be welcomed by family and friends.
[Edited on 5-22-2023 by David K]
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by advrider | Bajatrailrider is all good and out ridding today.
Goat, what they did was make a very tactical decision based on war tactics. They picked a place where everyone would be getting out of their cars and
grouping together, good call for high causality hit. They aren't worried about collateral damage. As you point out, very little if any repercussions
for them. |
The Mexican people, police and politicians will pretend the massacre never happened. Actually, they don’t pretend it did not happen, they just
don’t care that it happened, happened before, and will happen again. Fiddling while their Rome burns. Confidant and nonchalant about the loss of
their civility, the end of their civil society,… “what, me worry?”
[Edited on 5-22-2023 by mtgoat666] |
Sounds like the USA. Thoughts and prayers!
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One thing I'd be willing to bet is that scores of heavily armed Mexican police in bullet-proof vests wouldn't stand around in the hallway for an hour
and 15 minutes while classrooms full of little children were being massacred and traumatized for life.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
We still don't know who kidnapped helpless Mary Ann Humfreville in the middle of the night and nobody in town will volunteer what they know.
Some closure would be welcomed by family and friends.
[Edited on 5-22-2023 by David K] |
"Closure" is a ridiculous notion. One of those words bandied about that many relatives of victims find offensively facile. Even if the perpetrators
are caught and punished and you find out what really happened, it does nothing to lessen the pain of losing a loved one to murder, especially if the
killing wasn't instant and was preceded by terrorizing the victim.
[Edited on 5-22-2023 by surabi]
[Edited on 5-22-2023 by surabi]
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
One thing I'd be willing to bet is that scores of heavily armed Mexican police in bullet-proof vests wouldn't stand around in the hallway for an hour
and 15 minutes while classrooms full of little children were being massacred and traumatized for life.
[Edited on 5-22-2023 by surabi] |
Majority of Mexican cops are on cartel bankroll… the cartels rule the country because the cops stand around and do nothing. Thousands of
adolescents have disappeared in Mexico, and govt/cops don’t give a chit. Sometimes the cops themselves are disappearing the kids.
Heck, even mex presidents are puppets of cartels. El Chapo was puppet master of Pres Calderon.
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I wasn't saying Mexican cops are some good guys, Goat, or that what the cartels get away with is in any way okay, but turning a blind eye to cartel
business and actions and being on the take isn't in the same category as standing around letting one insane teenager massacre a classroom full of 9
and 10 year olds. There's a difference between being corrupt and being an inept coward.
Sadly, it will be generations before there's any getting rid of the cartels. You're dealing with a culture that has a whole genre of music dedicated
to portraying violent criminals as heroes. Ever paid attention to how they change the names of movies in Mexico to something violent or highly sexual?
There's a little known Russell Crowe movie I watched. The name of the movie in English is "Tenderness". The Mexican bootleg was entitled "Asesino".
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what they did was make a very tactical decision based on war tactics. They picked a place where everyone would be getting out of their cars and
grouping together, good call for high causality hit. |
I was thinking the same thing. I bet cartel guys won't gather at a publicized event anymore.
I'm also thinking the Sinaloa Cartel did the shooting, taking out members of the New Generation / Tijuana Cartels. Hopefully, this was a decisive
shoot-out.
How long has the fighting for the drug plazas (in this case the TJ plaza) been going on? Forty years?
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There were two target UTV drivers from a rival cartel entered in the event. The shooters from the other cartel arrived in an SUV and started shooting.
Both targets escaped with no injuries. Count now is 11 dead.
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US consulate says 3 of the dead are American citizens…
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Probably not a good idea to hangout with cartel no matter where you are from!
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This is TRAGIC.
https://www.aol.com/news/three-americans-among-10-killed-074...
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It is likely that many of the dead bystanders had no idea they were in proximity of gangsters.
Can you advise tourists how to recognize gangsters when they are in public space?
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From my reading on a race forum the cartel guys like to race and participate in most all race events. All the way from SCORE to lesser known informal
events.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by PaulW |
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From my reading on a race forum the cartel guys like to race and participate in most all race events. All the way from SCORE to lesser known informal
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The cartels have many thousands of employees in baja. The cartel guys occupy their leisure time the same as most other people.
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Can you recognize, or at least suspect, gang members when you're in the United States?
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Did not realize any innocent bystanders were harmed, I thought it was only cartel that were killed. That is what my comment was based on. Often times
gangs, cartels and thugs associated mostly with people in their organization to lessen the chance of outsiders gaining intel and access to them and
their inner workings. Just my experience.
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No. Members of organized crime range from cops in uniform (e.g LAPD rampart), to suburban dads in suit/tie, to street thugs in Compton.
Cartel guys in Mexico come in all types.
Don’t buy into stereotypes that cartel guys have a stereotypical look.
On Saturday in San vicente, the cartel guys were dressed up in riding clothes, and looked same as baja nomad off-roaders.
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