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David K
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True that, Blanca... When the law isn't enforced and criminals get away with it... We lose.
We took a break from Baja back around 2007, for a few months, after Antonio's (BajaCactus) brother-in-law (a policeman) was murdered by the cartel in
Tijuana.
Things will get back to normal... I am not as pessimistic about the future as others here. A Baja 'time-out' is not giving up on our favorite
peninsula.
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watizname
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Might have to be a long time out. I'll probably time out myself before I go back. bummer.
I yam what I yam and that\'s all what I yam.
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So far, I have only seen one news report on this incident. Other reports seem are refences this original report. No other news that I can find.
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MontyF
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Does anyone have any additional information on the specifics of the incident beyone the news article posted in the original post?
thanks
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Ken Cooke
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This is a shame
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Makes me glad I drove the peninsula when I did 3 years ago in May of 2022. Mexico as a whole has gone to hell the past year or so, and continues to
get worse. I might go back at some point, but I don't see myself taking my own vehicle again. Would fly in and rent a car with full coverage insurance
at this point.
I took my own vehicle to Cabo back in '22 and it is my most favorite trip I've ever taken. Even back then though I was stopped at a checkpoint south
of Guerrero Negro at the junction for Benito Juarez that was definitely sketchy. They had "official looking" vehicles, but later when I looked up the
supposed agencies those vehicles represented I could never find those actual agencies. They had a rope set up across the highway and it was the most
thorough search for drugs I've ever gone through. I suppose I'll never know if it was legit or not. Besides that I never felt uneasy the entire trip.
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Quote: Originally posted by MontyF  | Does anyone have any additional information on the specifics of the incident beyone the news article posted in the original post?
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Original source of this info appears to have been "Expresionlapaz" on FB:
https://www.facebook.com/fjso56/posts/fuerte-enfrentamiento-...
The OP's copied article referenced "expresión BCS" as the source.
Does anyone have more info on the credibility of this/these sources? Thank you.
For those following this topic (YMMV), here's other info posted by such sources....
That same FB page posted the following in the past few days:
https://www.facebook.com/fjso56/posts/pfbid08WSeacR2QmJaPnT1...
May 22, 2025
REPORTAN ENFRENTAMIENTO DE "MAYOS" Y "CHAPITOS" EN LA ZONA PACIFICO NORTE
Aún con información extraoficial pues el Gobierno oculta hechos de la delincuencia organizada
Con el uso de drones y armamento de grueso calibre, hoy los grupos delincuenciales se han posicionado en la zona norte de Baja California Sur en
municipios como Mulegé, exactamente en Guerrero Negro y el vizcaíno.
Muchos ciudadanos propietarios de ranchos han abandonado ya sus propiedades, ya que han sido desplazados por delincuentes, lo que se origina
por la lejanía de rancho a rancho.
Por ser una de las zonas menos pobladas del país, lo cual facilita que grupos armados ingresen a este municipio prácticamente sin tener miedo a
las autoridades.
El nivel de profesionalismo es muy alto, son personas con conocimiento de tácticas militares, además muy inteligentes.
En este momento, tengo la capacidad de decirles que esto ha rebasado la capacidad de respuesta del estado de Baja California Sur y que es
necesaria la respuesta y cooperación de las autoridades federales.
Ya que no se descarta que ya estos grupos delincuenciales hayan permeado las dependencias estatales y municipales, y hay filtración de
información, por lo tanto, ya la información oficial de estas dependencias es muy dudosa.
Además, la información está llegando a cuentagotas, a veces no llega, a veces no hay evidencia, no hay comunicados, no hay fotografías, pero
gracias a Dios, nosotros estamos enterados prácticamente de todo lo que sucede en el estado y en el país.
Hoy, después de la presunta balacera entre El Vizcaino y Guerrero Negro, alrededor de 5 o 6 vehículos participaron en un enfrentamiento entre
dos facciones de un cartel en específico, sin la participación de autoridades. Derivado de lo alejado de la zona y que no hay prácticamente
comunicación en este momento, no cuento con fotos, con evidencia ni ningún parte informativo,
Por lo que toda información es presuntamente y solamente se confirmará hasta que las autoridades estén en el área.
Google Translate:
May 22, 2025
CONFRONTATION BETWEEN "MAYOS" AND "CHAPITOS" REPORTED IN THE NORTH PACIFIC ZONE
Even with unofficial information, the government is hiding organized crime incidents.
With the use of drones and high-caliber weapons, criminal groups have now established a presence in the northern Baja California Sur region in
municipalities such as Mulegé, specifically in Guerrero Negro and Vizcaíno.
Many ranch owners have already abandoned their properties, having been displaced by criminals. This is due to the remoteness of each ranch.
This is one of the least populated areas in the country, making it easy for armed groups to enter this municipality with virtually no fear of the
authorities.
The level of professionalism is very high; these people are knowledgeable in military tactics and are also very intelligent.
At this moment, I am able to tell you that this has exceeded the response capacity of the state of Baja California Sur and that the response and
cooperation of federal authorities is necessary.
Since it is not ruled out that these criminal groups have already infiltrated state and municipal agencies, and there is information leakage, official
information from these agencies is already very dubious.
Furthermore, information is arriving in dribs and drabs; sometimes it doesn't arrive, sometimes there is no evidence, there are no press releases,
there are no photographs, but thank God, we are informed of practically everything that is happening in the state and the country.
Today, after the alleged shootout between El Vizcaino and Guerrero Negro, around 5 or 6 vehicles participated in a confrontation between two factions
of a specific cartel, without the participation of authorities. Due to the remoteness of the area and the lack of communication at this time, I have
no photos, evidence, or any information.
Therefore, all information is presumptive and will only be confirmed when authorities are in the area.
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From "Más Noticias de BCS" (FB) on March 13, 2025:
https://www.facebook.com/masnoticiasbcs/posts/pfbid0THpBVTY2...
Translated by Google:
Mexican Army Seizes "Monster" Vehicle in Bahía de los Ángeles; Three Arrested
Mulegé, BCS – Members of the Mexican Army, assigned to the 40th Military Zone and the 21st Motorized Cavalry Regiment, carried out an operation in
Bahía de los Ángeles, where they seized a homemade armored vehicle, known as the "Monster," and arrested three people.
According to information obtained by a local media outlet, the mobilization of military forces occurred following an anonymous report. After the
operation, the seized vehicle and the detainees were handed over to the Federal Public Prosecutor's Office.
Insecurity in the Region
This incident adds to a growing concern about violence in northern Baja California Sur, particularly in areas near Guerrero Negro, where criminal
incidents have been reported that point to the incursion of criminal groups from Baja California.
Sources cited by this media outlet warn that the insecurity situation has generated uncertainty among the population, while the effectiveness of the
security strategies implemented in the region remains in question.
Authorities are expected to strengthen their efforts to prevent the spread of criminal groups and ensure the peace of mind of the area's residents.
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BajaNomad
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Another FB source with considerable local "reporting", YMMV:
"Creadores De Violencia La Baja"
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61575860498074
May 7, 2025:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0qR9B...
FWIW, please notice how heavily shared this post was by others...
Google Translate:
I'm Arley Aguilar from the "Los Venados Cartel" of Isla de Cedros, or better known as "Las Putitas con Peluca" (The Little hoars with Wigs).
This is one of the people responsible for all the chaos in Guerrero Negro and the municipality of Mulegé. He is an abusive and traitor. Investigate
the people of Cedros so you know who the abusive people are who are killing innocent and unarmed people.
Friends, God bless us and protect us from the "Los Venados Cartel."
May 8, 2025:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02dMy...
Google Translate:
Here we introduce you to this person, "MARCO ÁVALOS," alias "EL PÚRPURA," who is one of the perpetrators of violence in the Baja California Sur. He
is from the "Los Venados Cartel," members of the "Arley Aguilar" criminal cartel that is spreading terror in the municipality of Mulege.
Just so you know this little gem, he is the one in charge of burning down the houses in Isla de Cedros, Bahía Tortugas, and Guerrero Negro. He was
one of the main participants in the wave of violence that occurred in the aforementioned locations.
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JZ
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This is so sad.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad |
May 22, 2025
CONFRONTATION BETWEEN "MAYOS" AND "CHAPITOS" REPORTED IN THE NORTH PACIFIC ZONE
Even with unofficial information, the government is hiding organized crime incidents.
With the use of drones and high-caliber weapons, criminal groups have now established a presence in the northern Baja California Sur region in
municipalities such as Mulegé, specifically in Guerrero Negro and Vizcaíno.
Many ranch owners have already abandoned their properties, having been displaced by criminals. This is due to the remoteness of each ranch.
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I cancelled my El Camino Real hiking plans previously this year, because of the danger. I was recently considering the possibility of making another
try, but have decided once again that it is too risky.
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advrider
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We were down in May for a month and really enjoyed our trip, drove almost all the way to Cabo. Remote camping and fishing. We were planning to return
for another month around November/December, but for the first time I'm thinking of skipping Baja.
Super bummed, but I just don't feel I can take my wife and friends down driving very nice, well-built jeeps for fear of being a target. Makes
me sick.
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AKgringo
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I am not done exploring Baja
I am not in denial about the changes that are occurring, and I am thankful for any reports of new or ongoing problem areas. I travel alone with a dog
in older vehicles that would be unlikely targets, and I am always sober with my head on a swivel.
I am more concerned about cartel wannabees or former members than any organized group, but I feel that the biggest risk I face on my travels is on the
paved portions lined with little white crosses!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | I am not in denial about the changes that are occurring, and I am thankful for any reports of new or ongoing problem areas. I travel alone with a dog
in older vehicles that would be unlikely targets, and I am always sober with my head on a swivel.
I am more concerned about cartel wannabees or former members than any organized group, but I feel that the biggest risk I face on my travels is on the
paved portions lined with little white crosses! |
Good for you AK! I just boarded the ferry to LAP . No problems driving
from Colima to Mazatlan. A heavy military presence probably helps! I'll be driving up to Tijuana taking 2 weeks. I'm not sure of my route but I'll
let you know if I encounter anything sketchy.
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AKgringo
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Chippy, I made two Baja runs from Northern California last year. In April of 24 I made it to Cabo with dental work in La Paz. In mid-December it was
just a three week drive-about with San Juanico about the southern end of the trip on the Pacific side, then over the pass to the Cortez side and north
on hwy 1 to hwy 5.
Do you plan on exploring any back roads? If so, I may have useful info for you.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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chippy
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | Chippy, I made two Baja runs from Northern California last year. In April of 24 I made it to Cabo with dental work in La Paz. In mid-December it was
just a three week drive-about with San Juanico about the southern end of the trip on the Pacific side, then over the pass to the Cortez side and north
on hwy 1 to hwy 5.
Do you plan on exploring any back roads? If so, I may have useful info for you.
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I try and do mainly back roads going up. My route depends on weather and fishing reports.
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Which pass did you take? I was thinking about doing the San Raymundo east to west.
[Edited on 5-29-2025 by chippy]
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I'm seeing a lot of fearful reactions in these comments. IMO, overreactions.
I'm fairly confident the greatest risk i encounter here is auto accidents.
Regarding organized crime running various businesses/industries..... this has been the norm forever in the states. Don't agree? Try to open a
garbage collection business in new York, or san Francisco....let me know how it goes.
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pacifico - the last year or so of cartel activity is something that was unknown not long ago. Beheadings, kidnappings, mass shootouts, lots of bodies
being dug up, town take-overs. You can't deny that this element may affect your trip in ways you didn't foresee. I prefer solo boondocking - I can
read between the lines and know this isn't the safest choice now. In the past I have experienced surveillance and heard gunshots not far away (El
Rosario area x2). One of my last trips, I flew into Cabo, rented a car, camped in campgrounds and a hostel in Todos Santos. A compromise, but I'd
still love to find that spot off the two-track. And fear those days are behind me. Camping at Laguna Hanson? don't think so. You can't compare US
cities with Baja California - focus on what's happening in Baja.
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| Quote: Originally posted by wilderone | | pacifico - the last year or so of cartel activity is something that was unknown not long ago. Beheadings, kidnappings, mass shootouts, lots of bodies
being dug up, town take-overs. You can't deny that this element may affect your trip in ways you didn't foresee. I prefer solo boondocking - I can
read between the lines and know this isn't the safest choice now. In the past I have experienced surveillance and heard gunshots not far away (El
Rosario area x2). One of my last trips, I flew into Cabo, rented a car, camped in campgrounds and a hostel in Todos Santos. A compromise, but I'd
still love to find that spot off the two-track. And fear those days are behind me. Camping at Laguna Hanson? don't think so. You can't compare US
cities with Baja California - focus on what's happening in Baja. |
Unfortunately I have to agree with your assessment.
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