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Guys, there is/was water close to the sea, at Gonzaga.
*Pozo de los Frailes is a short walk from Papa Fernandez' and was rumored to date back to the missionaries time there (building the warehouse, etc).
Didn't Consag write about water from an Indian dug well?
*Mezquitito is too far.
*Another spring is the Antelope Spring, along the cargo trail going west from the warehouse.
*Water also flows out of the ground, just west of Rancho Grande (Onyx/Soda Springs) but it may not be so tasty.
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Location for mezquitito?
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About Km. 120. Papa Fernandez' is Km. 143 (23 kms or 14 miles south).
From the caption under my 1974 photo there:
Agua del Mezquitito 29° 59.160’N, 114° 34.155’W
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Aguaje Sagrado, the name and date palms are intriguing.
Consag + Sagrado = Consagrado. Puzzle solved, mission Santa Isabel  .
That's definitely where the gold is buried. Don't tell anyone.
Seriously though, I wonder if the word consagrado explains the hispanisized spelling of his name.
[Edited on 5-30-2025 by Lance S.]
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David, the Rancheria that attacked Calamajue, Clavigero gives the distance north to the Rancheria, do you remember how many leagues?
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Quote: Originally posted by Lance S.  | | David, the Rancheria that attacked Calamajue, Clavigero gives the distance north to the Rancheria, do you remember how many leagues?
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The rancheria was named Cagnajuet, 70 miles north of Calamajué. [this story is on page 112 of my book]. On page 363 of Clavigero: 70 miles (no
leagues given). However, a league is generally 2-3 miles, in Spanish California. I believe Crosby says 2.5 miles.
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Thanks David, I should have thought to check your book chapter on Calamajue first.
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Full name of Rancho Sagrado was probably Rancho Sagrado Corazon de Jesus.
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Well, if that waypoint Harald posted earlier is it, that couldn't be any rancho as it is an arroyo with steep sides. The date palms in there are
interesting, indeed. This is the same arroyo I photographed from the San Judas onyx mine... just further inland. The Agua del Mezquitito arroyo is
actually the next one south. I had thought it was the one I photographed, that day.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lance S. | In Kiliwa mythology there is a place where Maikwiak, one of the giant human demigods born to finish the work of the original creator gods, lies on the
divide while mourning the death of his father. Tears from one cheek form an arroyo with water that drains to the gulf and tears from the other form
an arroyo with water that drains to the Pacific.
Perhaps the Cochimi had a similar story regarding arroyo San Julio/Catavina and arroyo Santa Maria. Some interesting ground features in the area
where they meet at the divide.
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In the Kiliwa myth it is Esperanza Canyon and Arroyo San Rafael.
Do those two come close together at the divide? Near the observatory?
[Edited on 6-9-2025 by Lance S.]
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Hmmm, opposite sides of of the sierra!
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From Mixco (1983) 'When I Have Donned My Crest of Stars'
"He climbed onto the forested crags and sat down. He was leaning over the edge of the abyss. Where he lay weeping is called 'the -diagonal-slide'.
It's where he comes over the summit 'he-who-dwells-in -heaven' (Maikwiak). He stayed there smelling. The stench of where they killed his father
lingered there yet.
He began to weep. As he lay weeping his tears spilled on either side of the divide. One formed xmir (San Rafael) the other became xyil (Esperanza).
He was leaning over 'the-diagonal-slide-where-he-wept '."
[Edited on 6-14-2025 by Lance S.]
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