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ligui
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JD. I just wanted to say thank you for your adult input on this subject 
Thanks also to the rest of you . it's interesting to see the points of view on this subject.
I believe in coordinated cooperation between all countries.
This is a criminal issue lets work to solve it together with increased cooperation and increase in resources.
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JZ
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Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  | Can you truly say you personally feel safer and have more individual freedom today than you did 2 years ago?
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Hell yes. 2025 saw the largest one-year drop in murder ever recorded.
CA has even cracked down on homeless encampments and smash and grab robberies. Both of these things were happening within 2-3 miles of our house in
LA. One store in an outdoor mall where we regularly shop got hit 5 times.
We do a couple events in DC every year. If feel much better now with my wife walking around the city.
2025 Year in Review: A Remarkable Drop In Crime
https://jasher.substack.com/p/2025-year-in-review-a-remarkab...
[Edited on 1-10-2026 by JZ]
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Ateo
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We will never win. There is great power, influence and MONEY in soothing the souls of Americans. It's a waste of time. It's a pointless fight
against ourselves. Ya think your're gonna actually win a war like that?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo |
In Butte County (near Chico CA) last summer, for wildfire hazard concerns and sanitation issues at an "unhoused community", efforts were made to
relocate the camps.
The options apparently were not pleasing to the relocated population, so they snuck right back to their camp on the river and hid a little better.
The County reported that they were having problems with "Service Resistant Campers"! Now doesn't that sound a little kinder?
[Edited on 1-10-2026 by AKgringo] |
If down on your luck, would you rather camp in open space or be confined in tenement slum?
USA has really big population of homeless. Since our fed, state and local govts cant or wont house all of our poor, Maybe US govt should ask UN to set
up some refugee camps to house our ‘refugees’
Homeless camps look like better life than the refugee camps i have seen.
Woke!
Hands off!
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“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo |
In Butte County (near Chico CA) last summer, for wildfire hazard concerns and sanitation issues at an "unhoused community", efforts were made to
relocate the camps.
The options apparently were not pleasing to the relocated population, so they snuck right back to their camp on the river and hid a little better.
The County reported that they were having problems with "Service Resistant Campers"! Now doesn't that sound a little kinder?
[Edited on 1-10-2026 by AKgringo] |
If down on your luck, would you rather camp in open space or be confined in tenement slum?
USA has really big population of homeless. Since our fed, state and local govts cant or wont house all of our poor, Maybe US govt should ask UN to set
up some refugee camps to house our ‘refugees’
Homeless camps look like better life than the refugee camps i have seen. |
Maybe Newsom should find some of the $24,000,000 billion to fix homelessness he lost (stole). 
[Edited on 1-11-2026 by JZ]
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ligui
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Guys this post is not about the homeless in California
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | It's funny to watch some people care more about their ability to take vacations in MX or live cheaply in MX.
Than they care about the incredible violence the cartels are inflicting on the Mexican population.
The same people tell us every day how we should help people in need. But it's always with someone else's money.
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JDCanuck
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I would like to know how Sheinbaum successfully dropped violent crime in Mexico City by 50% or how Columbia managed successfully to get their recent
improvements fighting Cartels. Then perhaps we can find a way to accomplish the same in Mexico, US and Canada with all the extra surveillance tools we
now control.
I can see the advantages of working more at the level of the disadvantaged youth to keep them from ever seeing Cartel membership as their best route
to wealth and respect. But that takes both societal wealth and the willingness to apply it to social spending programs.
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JDCanuck
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As I remember Columbia's "War Against Drugs" it just shifted from one Cartel to the next as successive Cartel heads were extradited and jailed with
the cooperation of the end users' countries (mainly the US). From the article I just read, the Sinaloa Cartel and FARC are now the majors in control
of Columbia exports of Cocaine. Meanwhile, the Cocaine market has declined and been replaced with increased Fentanyl, illegal arms and human
smuggling.
I don't think it is reasonable to expect to reduce Cartel prominence without dealing with the demand end of the cycle, or at least increased
cooperation between the supply and demand ends.
As for Mexico, they appear to be primarily working on the recruitment end by boosting the living wages and ultimately living standards and educational
options of upcoming generations. Perhaps that's ultimately their most effective weapon against the Cartels.
[Edited on 1-11-2026 by JDCanuck]
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AKgringo
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I apologize for my part in the hijack
I deleted my post, but the quotes are still there
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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We will be driving down to our hotelito La Bocana in July 2026 for a visit. I sure hope things settle down before then!
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bajatrailrider
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo |
In Butte County (near Chico CA) last summer, for wildfire hazard concerns and sanitation issues at an "unhoused community", efforts were made to
relocate the camps.
The options apparently were not pleasing to the relocated population, so they snuck right back to their camp on the river and hid a little better.
The County reported that they were having problems with "Service Resistant Campers"! Now doesn't that sound a little kinder?
[Edited on 1-10-2026 by AKgringo] |
If down on your luck, would you rather camp in open space or be confined in tenement slum?
USA has really big population of homeless. Since our fed, state and local govts cant or wont house all of our poor, Maybe US govt should ask UN to set
up some refugee camps to house our ‘refugees’
Homeless camps look like better life than the refugee camps i have seen. |
Maybe Newsom should find some of the $24,000,000 billion to fix homelessness he lost (stole).
[Edited on 1-11-2026 by JZ] |
You got that
right 
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ligui
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Okay I guess we will now change the subject to Homeless in California.
You guys amaze how your train of thought in a conversation is unable to stick with the original subject.
Start a new trend about a different subject if that is the conversation you are looking for.
Good Morning
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pauldavidmena
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| Quote: Originally posted by ligui | Okay I guess we will now change the subject to Homeless in California.
You guys amaze how your train of thought in a conversation is unable to stick with the original subject.
Start a new trend about a different subject if that is the conversation you are looking for.
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I hope we can remain on topic, and detach ourselves from the runaway thread of a derailed train! My wife and I will be heading down to Todos Santos in
just over 2 weeks. We've been visiting since 2013, but having finally retired, we're seriously thinking of buying a property in Baja to escape the New
England winters. I'd be lying if I said that current events didn't make me a bit hesitant.
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Yeah, a U.S. invasion of Mexico would likely not bode well for expats. 
"I can normally tell how intelligent a man is, by how stupid he thinks I
am."
"...they were careful of their demeanor that they not be thought to have opinions on what they heard for like most men skilled at their work they
were scornful of any least suggestion of knowing anything not learned at first hand."
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1. No, this won't go over well. We all agree there should be a positive solution to our drug dependence, but in reality........how does one do that?
With air strikes on cartel hideouts or labs?
2. We all SHOULD know that our current US Administration is a despotic, ignorant, shameless, sad, self-hating, angry.......the list goes on forever.
Until we realize #2 and do something about it, the US, its citizens, and the world will continue to suffer. I'm on topic.
Paul, I'd buy a place anyways! Prepare for the exit from US and head to Baja. Live your life and enjoy every moment because it could all be gone any
day.
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pauldavidmena
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| Quote: Originally posted by Ateo |
Paul, I'd buy a place anyways! Prepare for the exit from US and head to Baja. Live your life and enjoy every moment because it could all be gone any
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You're not wrong. In fact, while some current property owners in Baja might be panicked, selling below asking price, I could see where being a buyer
taking the long view could work to one's advantage.
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JDCanuck
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I don't know if you've noticed as I have, but those cheaper prices (at least in USD) are rapidly disappearing and property seems to be moving to
Expats at an accelerating rate. Seems a lot of people have the same ideas as Atleo.
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Some say it's just noise to distract from the flies
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena |
I hope we can remain on topic, and detach ourselves from the runaway thread of a derailed train! My wife and I will be heading down to Todos Santos in
just over 2 weeks. We've been visiting since 2013, but having finally retired, we're seriously thinking of buying a property in Baja to escape the New
England winters. I'd be lying if I said that current events didn't make me a bit hesitant. |
Take it deeper, Paul.
Buying will be on the burner as you ''rent'' and look around. You might not find property you want to buy in the short time you're on vacation down
there.
My advice: find a place to rent, drive down, and see how that plays out. A few Winter months in Pesky might show you what you're hesitating
about.
Doubt the locals in Todos worry about a US invasion.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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