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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by ligui  | This will go over well
The American president today said he is going to have the us military attack the cartels in Mexico on the ground.
If this happens I believe the cartels will then target Americans in Mexico !
There goes the Viva Baja feeling
Could become very dangerous for tourists and permanent residents
If he starts anything I'm considering selling all of my property in Mexico.
Actions without thought of consequences. 
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33% of USA would be appalled if Trump attacked Mexico. 33% of USA would be happy if Trump attacked any foreign country and bombed them back into the
stone age. 33% of USA doesn’t care about anything.
Trump and Hegseth will gleefully drop bombs from 40,000 feet on most any ethnic-looking nefarious actor,… until the day their intelligence
mistakenly wipes out children or USA citizens, after which they will deny and/or blame deep state libs in the intelligence agencies.
Woke!
Hands off!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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surabi
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I can't see Mexicans attacking their American ex-pat neighbors, as the average Mexican isn't the sort of person who does things like that. They also
know that plenty of American expats are just as horrified by Trump as they are.
But if this US adminstratíon were to invade Mexico, drop bombs, etc. I can certainly see Mexico closing immigration to Americans, not letting
American commercial airlines enter Mexican airspace or land here, etc.
And is the US administration really so ignorant as to think cartels members all live and hang out in some giant clubhouses? Cartel members live in
regular homes in regular neighborhoods. Are they planning to terrorize Mexican communities with ICE-type invasions?
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
Cartel members live in regular homes in regular neighborhoods. Are they planning to terrorize Mexican communities with ICE-type invasions?
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Probably planning to send missiles from drones.
Woke!
Hands off!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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The hardest part might be identifying the corrupt officials or other "civilians" that protect the Cartels and feed them information, the same as
exists in the US and Canada. Their family members and neighbours would likely not have a clue what they were up to.
Intense and long surveillance would be needed to weed out the full organization, same as we have been doing up here for multiple decades.
Find the user, trace back up the chain, find the maximum number of suppliers and then make the bust.
If you leave all those links in place, you just end up replacing one supplying Cartel with another and the problem remains with new sources and/or new
countries doing the supplying.
[Edited on 1-15-2026 by JDCanuck]
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by ligui | The American president today said he is going to have the us military attack the cartels in Mexico on the ground.
If this happens I believe the cartels will then target Americans in Mexico !
There goes the Viva Baja feeling
Could become very dangerous for tourists and permanent residents
If he starts anything I'm considering selling all of my property in Mexico.
Actions without thought of consequences.
Let's hear your opinions |
Don't believe the above and, to me, pearl clutchers might stop going South. Who cares? Doesn't take away from the dangers of corrupt cops and
government and road pirates. I expect cops to stop me in ALL towns and I consciously look for pirates while driving. Don't see the US doing
anything militarily in MX.
| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Which is a different topic from how they would react were the U.S. to actually attack.
Mexicans are gratifyingly tolerant to Gringos impacting their communities, but their patience has limits. |
My comment about Todos locals refer to the US attacking MX some how. Think locals might be happy it's being done. Attacking Baja Sur might be a
different story. Probably not though.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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elgatoloco
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Yes
MAGA
marooons Are Governing America
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elgatoloco
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not flies........Files.......Epstein......
MAGA
marooons Are Governing America
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You had the "files" for 4 years dummy. How many times did you cry for them to be released? Do you honestly think the Dems sat on something that
would take him down.
How dumb are you, seriously?
Why are you ok with 15,000,000 illegals invading America, 30% inflation, double interest rates, 1,000,000 dead in preventable wars, billions and
billions in fraud (just in Minnesota), men taking opportunities from girls/women?
[Edited on 1-15-2026 by JZ]
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surabi
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It was a rhetorical question. 
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ligui
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JZ please stay on subject ! We all know you love the leader.
Hard to believe you like the Baja , must be fun to hear you talk about Mexican people while you are at dinner down there.
I hope to never run into you while I'm down in Mexico.
Have you ever read the book the ugly American ?
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surabi
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JZ stays on topic just like his dear leader. Dredges up what he thinks are his greatest hits ad nauseum when faced with things he doesn't want to
answer and can't defend.
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by ligui | The American president today said he is going to have the us military attack the cartels in Mexico on the ground.
If this happens I believe the cartels will then target Americans in Mexico !
There goes the Viva Baja feeling
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Is your "Baja feeling" more important than the "feeling" the Mexicans have when they are extorted by the cartels or when their family members are
kidnapped by the cartels and never seen again?
This may run counter to what you want to think but most Mexicans are horrified by what these cartel animals have done to their beautiful country.
Maybe it is time for you to sell....
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco |
This may run counter to what you want to think but most Mexicans are horrified by what these cartel animals have done to their beautiful country.
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I doubt anyone here is arguing about that.
The question is how unilateral U.S. military intervention (i.e. "invasion") would be received. |
I agree the "reception" is not certain. The current strategy has been shown to be totally ineffective (hard to argue otherwise). Looks like we will
all soon know. Inaction doesn't look like a viable solution to the current administration in USA. As a Bajanomad with a deep love for the people of
Mexico, I am hopeful for a real positive change that repels the cartels and brings more safety to the people.
More peace and love and less homicides and kidnappings.
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ligui
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Hey Tioloco boy you sure turned my love of Baja around. Who said my Baja feeling is more important than the Mexicans having to deal with the cartels
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Damn thanks for the personal attack.
I Have spent 40 plus years in Mexico living with the locals and enjoying the lifestyle that they are willing to share with me. I've been to funerals
and I've been to weddings and I've been to births and have shared their love of life.
My post was to discuss whether the United states should be involved forcibly in Mexico without their consent.
By living in the small village of ligui I have seen the cartel and how they affect the people that are my neighbors and friends.
I don't think I need to explain any further.
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I certainly hope the United States doesn't do any police work in Mexico without the consent of the Mexican government.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | I certainly hope the United States doesn't do any police work in Mexico without the consent of the Mexican government. |
I agree! Even if Mexico asks for support in fighting cartels, how deep would the tentacles of the cartels be into the agencies working with US
agents?
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by ligui | Hey Tioloco boy you sure turned my love of Baja around. Who said my Baja feeling is more important than the Mexicans having to deal with the cartels
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Damn thanks for the personal attack.
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He specializes in false equivalencies and personal attacks. And if you're female and dare to disagree with his opinions, you'll be treated to being
called the "c" word.
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We bailed out, sold the house in San Felipe after too many local murders, corrupt police, border crossing issues and generally no longer feeling safe
to travel in Baja. After 40 years of great times in Baja and Baja Sur it's a shame its has come to this for us. The people of Mexico deserve better.
I do not know what the answer is but since all else seems to have failed perhaps Trump directly going after bad guys on Mexican soil would improve
things. I don't know. I think the most serious issue is the influence the criminals seem to have over the government including law enforcement and
politicians.
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This is from a State Department release that goat linked in a new thread:
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Following the call between President Donald Trump and President Claudia Sheinbaum earlier this week, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Mexican
Foreign Secretary Juan Ramón de la Fuente spoke by phone today to address ongoing security challenges facing both countries. The Secretaries
reaffirmed the importance of the U.S.-Mexico partnership, grounded in mutual respect for sovereignty, while acknowledging that more must be done to
confront shared threats.
https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/20...
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Good.
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Tioloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by baja-chris1 | | We bailed out, sold the house in San Felipe after too many local murders, corrupt police, border crossing issues and generally no longer feeling safe
to travel in Baja. After 40 years of great times in Baja and Baja Sur it's a shame its has come to this for us. The people of Mexico deserve better.
I do not know what the answer is but since all else seems to have failed perhaps Trump directly going after bad guys on Mexican soil would improve
things. I don't know. I think the most serious issue is the influence the criminals seem to have over the government including law enforcement and
politicians. |
Sorry you bailed but I do understand your sentiment. Unfortunately, the criminal element is a big reason there are many more expats dying off or
cutting ties than there are younger ones replacing them. The scores of empty and/or abandoned gringo houses throughout Baja confirm this.
Seems that stating the obvious yields attacks from those with their heads in the sand. Not trying to ruin anyone's stoke. You cant fight armed
criminals with sticks and stones.
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