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surabi
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He described them as "bodyguards". 
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Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  | Sheinbaum should implement what President Bukele did. Stop playing games with criminals.
El Salvador’s crime rate has dropped drastically to historic lows, with a 2024 homicide rate of roughly 1.9 per 100,000 residents, following a 69%
decline in 2023. Formerly one of the world's deadliest countries, the crackdown under President Bukele since 2022 has significantly reduced
gang-related violence, transforming the country into one of the safest in Latin America.
While addressing the country, Bukele said he is working to create opportunity for the kids but acknowledged the reality that you cant offer jobs to
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So what we were told about El Salvador just shipping their criminals to the US was all more false info. It’s so hard to weed out the truth these
days. Then again there’s this, so it all gets very murky at times https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9qewln7912o
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Without the US demand for illegal drugs, the cartels would collapse. Without guns coming across the border from the US, the cartels would not have the
power. Nothing to do with "liberal policies". |
OK, and without the cartel demand for guns there would be no guns "coming across the border from the US."
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surabi
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Talk about missing the point.
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You seem to be unaware that it is Mexicans moving guns from the US to Mexico. Meaning that the cartels enter the US, usually illegally, and it is they
who do the buying and transporting of the guns to Mexico. You like to make it out to be the bad US which is supplying guns to Mexico, when in fact it
is Mexicans supplying guns from the US to Mexico.
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| Quote: Originally posted by cupcake |
You seem to be unaware that it is Mexicans moving guns from the US to Mexico. Meaning that the cartels enter the US, usually illegally, and it is they
who do the buying and transporting of the guns to Mexico. You like to make it out to be the bad US which is supplying guns to Mexico, when in fact it
is Mexicans supplying guns from the US to Mexico.
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And most importantly, with or without drug profits, they are engaging in extortion, racketeering, kidnapping and murder for hire. They need to be
KILLED, not negotiated with and coddled with hugs instead of bullets. Crying liberals are too weak to handle the problem.
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| Quote: Originally posted by cupcake |
You seem to be unaware that it is Mexicans moving guns from the US to Mexico. Meaning that the cartels enter the US, usually illegally, and it is they
who do the buying and transporting of the guns to Mexico. You like to make it out to be the bad US which is supplying guns to Mexico, when in fact it
is Mexicans supplying guns from the US to Mexico.
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The mfgs and gun stores are Americans, the mfgs and stores are the source of guns. Strawman buyers are citizens or green card holders. Illegals and
temp visa holders cant buy guns.
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After the Mexican military killed drug cartel kingpin Nemesio Rubén Oseguera Cervantes, widely known as El Mencho, officials detailed the weapons
recovered in the firefights. The stockpile included a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, 10 long arms, handguns, and grenades, officials said.
Mexico Defense Minister Ricardo Trevilla Trejo said that, as with other Mexican crime scenes, about 80% of the recovered weapons were bought in the
United States and smuggled across the border. The details were shared in a Feb. 23 news conference, a day after the killing of El Mencho.
Gun ownership in Mexico is tightly restricted. There is only one military-run gun store in the country, in Mexico City, where weapons sales are
strictly regulated. But easy access to guns in the United States has created an "iron river" of firearms flooding Mexico's black market.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by cupcake |
You seem to be unaware that it is Mexicans moving guns from the US to Mexico. Meaning that the cartels enter the US, usually illegally, and it is they
who do the buying and transporting of the guns to Mexico. You like to make it out to be the bad US which is supplying guns to Mexico, when in fact it
is Mexicans supplying guns from the US to Mexico.
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The mfgs and gun stores are Americans, the mfgs and stores are the source of guns.
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So, shut down the US 'gun culture' because Mexicans enter the US illegally and then ship guns to Mexico?
They can't buy them legally. Buying them illegally is not a problem.
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Surely those gun stores check the nationality or criminal history of the purchasers before they sell them all those guns? Where does someone go to buy
those grenade launchers? It’s particularly difficult to arrest all those drug kingpins if they continue to be armed better than the police that go
to arrest them. Should be pretty simple for suppliers to track the destination of items they sell if they decided it was in their interest to do so.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Surely those gun stores check the nationality or criminal history of the purchasers before they sell them all those guns? Where does someone go to buy
those grenade launchers? It’s particularly difficult to arrest all those drug kingpins if they are armed better than the police that go to arrest
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A legal gun store operation in the US is not where an illegal alien cartel member would go to buy a gun. They would either use the black market or
simply just steal them. A gun is stolen in the US every 90 to 120 seconds.
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They can put trackers on cheap items I buy at Walmart, so why not put them on firearms? Would be an extremely easy way to recover stolen firearms and
locate the thieves as a bonus.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | They can put trackers on cheap items I buy at Walmart, so why not put them on firearms? Would be an extremely easy way to recover stolen firearms and
locate the thieves as a bonus. |
Seems like a good idea to me.
But, I suspect the bad guys would just remove them.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | They can put trackers on cheap items I buy at Walmart, so why not put them on firearms? Would be an extremely easy way to recover stolen firearms and
locate the thieves as a bonus. |
The naivety here is stunning. Hope that is a joke
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| Quote: Originally posted by cupcake |
A legal gun store operation in the US is not where an illegal alien cartel member would go to buy a gun. They would either use the black market or
simply just steal them. A gun is stolen in the US every 90 to 120 seconds. |
Sounds like a good argument against the ridiculous array of weaponry in the hands of private citizens in the US. They aren't stealing the guns from
the military or the cops, you know.
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| Quote: Originally posted by cupcake |
So, shut down the US 'gun culture' because Mexicans enter the US illegally and then ship guns to Mexico?
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Uh, there's quite a few more reasons for better gun control in the US. Like the fact that gun violence is the leading cause of child deaths in the US.
"The rate of child deaths from gun violence in the US doubled from 2013 to 2021. The United States has by far the highest rate of child and teen
firearm mortality among peer nations. In no other similarly large, wealthy country are firearms in the top four causes of death for children and
teens, let alone the number one cause. U.S. states with the most gun laws have lower rates of child and teen firearm deaths than states with few gun
laws. But, even states with the lowest child and teen firearm deaths have rates much higher than what peer countries experience.
On a per capita basis, the firearm death rate among children and teens (ages 1-19) in the U.S. is over 9.5 times the firearm death rate of Canadian
children and teens (ages 1-19)."
https://www.kff.org/mental-health/child-and-teen-firearm-mor...
But Americans would rather admire their gun collections than protect their children.
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| Quote: Originally posted by cupcake | | So, shut down the US 'gun culture' because Mexicans enter the US illegally and then ship guns to Mexico? |
Your ‘culture’ is pretty toxic. Everyone knows that too many guns are sold to too many people that should not be buying guns. Most gun owners I
know agree that the system is broken and needs fixing.
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Tioloco. Not a joke at all. We have had passive implants for pets the size of a grain of rice for decades now. Cheap and easily embedded without any
outward appearance they are there.
The remote trackers on my cellphone are also extremely small and let commercial interests know the minute I enter a Best Buy for decades. Police are
now busting crime rings regularly by leaving bait cars out to attract thieves. Why not firearms or are they somehow protected under privacy laws?
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | Tioloco. Not a joke at all. We have had passive implants for pets the size of a grain of rice for decades now. Cheap and easily embedded without any
outward appearance they are there.
The remote trackers on my cellphone are also extremely small and let commercial interests know the minute I enter a Best Buy for decades. Police are
now busting crime rings regularly by leaving bait cars out to attract thieves. Why not firearms or are they somehow protected under privacy laws?
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Aside from privacy, there is the fact that they will defeat those devices immediately.
Instead of thinking about how to disarm a terrorist, maybe more useful to think of ways to eliminate the terrorist.
The narcos are using drones effectively enough now to make worrying about the guns moot.
Guns dont kill people.... people kill people.
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Yeah, we've heard that stupid line from the gun lovers forever.
You can't kill 50 people in half a minute with a knife or a baseball bat.
Remind me again why any private citizen needs a semi-automatic weapon except to feel like a tough guy?
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