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jimgrms
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Wild one have you done anything to correct this situation except tell people that they should have done it another way
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Sharksbaja
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I guess I expected same years ago
But was scoffed at. I think your mission is correct Pam. What I don't understand was your trust in Fonatur and LBC. I really am an idiot when it comes
to Mexican motivation .
I also feel that while I try to communicate a belief or feeling others try to stifle that with their own profound positive wisdom. Issues like this
need advocates whether thru criticism or direct involment. Don't take it so personally. I'm actually behind your mission.
If you've read my post(s) concerning my involvement with coastal destruction and the crap I went through for years you might understand my distrust
towards big govt and big corporations. It has not to do with you per se. It has to do with the lubricated partnership and collusion between the two.
The fact that you stand up for the sea is very admirable and I have respect for you for doing so. But look, the greedy bastards have and will
continue to have, support from those who will benefit monetarily. It's a friggin' greedy world.
I'm sorry that you were lied to. Perhaps when I was trying to explain something I felt nobody listened. So you see, we both are from the same camp.
You just haven't been a part of the scenario like I was. Experience is always a teacher.
Obviously you care enough to persue legislation and/or ideas to bring about a provision for future generations and I applaud you for that. My
constant critisizing(if that's all you see) is designed not to make you dislike me or be some kind of antagonist(which is not always bad) rather it's
designed to shake the tree of reality.
Maybe my bedside manner is what you object to. Maybe I should not enter in to conversations that I've already commented on. Can you learn something
from someone that sees an issue from another perspective, regardless if it makes you smile. Yes, I can.
My point with that last point echoes loudly what is a real dilemma in Mexico. WE WHO CARE, have little resolve when it comes to big biz and govt
sleeping together. How many times do we philosophize without entering the water ourselves. That does not mean you.
Like I said, you have a lot of guts Pam. My only suggestion at this time is to seek representation from some filthy rich person with political
strings. Grassroot concerns are a good thing but remember where yer at.
OK Pam, I'll think about what you said.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
Why don't you come up with some real solutions that are constructive instead of constantly criticizing? I'm all ears.
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Have LB and other developments finance the town's water/sewer infrastructure. If they don't wanna play then start by tripling property taxes and stop
issuing building permits. They'll come around.
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Don Alley
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One problem that need solutions is an economic/political system that embargoes news and quarantines decisions. Only those who stand to profit, and a
handful of very inexperienced rural part-time politicians have any real input. So working the problem from this end, through government planning and
oversight, is problematic not only for retired expats, but those with small businesses employing locals, and for local people themselves.
Another option is through publicity, or you can say propoganda. Developers have been very active in this regard, with their publicity and salepitches
to a public that seems largely incapable of critical thought. One area where perhaps, over time, we can have an impact is to poison that well with
critical ideas. Availability of fresh water, sewage, rapid population growth, traffic, crime, wind, dust, heat, and the visible realities of
development and their impact vs. the invisible, make believe world of "sustainable" features, "coming soon... someday, maybe.
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Sharksbaja
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Squeeze em
It would possibly be prudent to approach goals from a more political standpoint. The people of Loreto, who I have learned, have great pride and
respect for their town. They have been through a similar situation years ago and perservered in face of change. They stood their ground then. I
suspect they would do so again come the need.
Well the need is here. The power of public opinion is a big player when it comes to Politico.
That an avenue of influence, the people of Loreto, could levy some heat. THis should be in the form of peaceful rallies and speakers and documents
circulated to gather support and gain recognition.
Media reps should be invited and it/they should organize well the event(s).
Intellectuals should be invited to show their work and express their concerns.
Both domestic and international interests would be of great value.
Other contributions could be of any number of private or public authorities.
The whole feeling should be of a positive concern rather than just bashing the subjects of the rally. The event(s) should include an invitation to
all the people of Loreto. Don't forget the Mariachis and dancing and food and entertainment. I'd just love to see this type of response.
THe message needs to be clearly articulated. The area is precious and the resources and the ability to manage it are not defined and are of serious
concern. It's a fragile ecosystem.
That's what I'd like to see happen, but hey, I grew up in the sities.
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Osprey
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Pam, don't let em up. Keep whuppin their asses. I just want to see this thread go on and on with their "What could we do?" "We were only trying to
help." "Maybe we have new ideas now." " Maybe YOU AND I TOGETHER COULD/SHOULD DO THIS THAT AND THE OTHER THING." Tell em to paint their own barns.
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"...you really know to whom you're addressing them to" Yes, I do - replies are on the archives.
What have I done? I have written to several Mexican environmental organizations; I have contacted LB and brought my concerns to them; I discussed my
concerns with Surfrider Foundation; I have written to Natural Resource Defense Council and sent them documents; I wrote to Baja Life 3 years ago and
sent them documents. I have emailed FONATUR. I wrote a letter to the Secretary of Tourism. I attend LB presentations in San Diego and criticized the
project with everyone I spoke with. Through this forum, I have repeatedly informed anyone who cared to know about who the principals of LB really
are, their background; I have pointed out the lies and inconsistencies in LB literature - anyone could confirm it or look into further for themselves.
The bullchit was so obvious. But what was the response: “you can’t stop progress.” “It’s their country.” And what should you do now, you ask.
March in the streets; picket; form a committee and contact every Mexican environmental organization who has any authority whatsoever and invite them
for meetings; accuse; file complaints; demand meetings with LB; voice your complaints to them; go to local government meetings (if there are any), and
put issues on the agenda. Demand meetings with the Loreto Bay Foundation board and demand accountability. Strike. Block the roads. Tell them they
lied. Demand answers (which they won’t have), so then file complaints for fraud, misrepresentation. Write opinion articles for the paper. Contact
the Gringo Gazette and tell them how you feel and what's going on. Take photos - post them on the internet. With a group of people, write an article
of Truth, and submit it to the San Diego Union and the Phoenix and Scottsdale papers - that's where they market LB property. Get started with these:
Mr. VICTOR LICHTINGER
SECRETARIA DEL MEDIO AMBIENTE Y RECURSOS NATURALES (SEMARNAT)
PERIFERICO SUR 4209
COL. JARDINES DE LA MONTAÑA
TLALPAN
14210 MEXICO D.F. MEXICO
EMAIL: vlichtinger@semarnat.gob.mx
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* Grupo de los Cien Internacional, A.C. *
Apartado Postal 41-523
Col. Virreyes
* Mexico D.F. 11001, Mexico *
* Fax (525)520-3577 *
<grupo100@laneta.apc.org>
FONATUR:
MISION
“Participar en la consolidación del desarrollo sustentable del país, a través del fomento de la actividad turística nacional”.
John McCarthy
FONDO NACIONAL DE FOMENTO AL TURISMO
Tecoyotitla No. 100
Col. Florida C.P. 01030 México D.F.
Tel.: 54 - 48 - 42 - 00
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SECRETARÍA DE TURISMO
Av. Presidente Masaryk No. 172, Col. Chapultepec Morales,
C.P. 11587, México, Distrito Federal.
Teléfono: (55) 3002-6300
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Pro Peninsula
P.O. Box 7175 San Diego, CA 92167
Tel: (619) 723-0700 Fax: (619) 374-7162
Email: info@propeninsula.org
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The Secretariat of Environment and Natural Resources (Secretaría del Medio Ambiente y Recursos Naturales, SEMARNAT) is a government agency whose main
purpose is to create a State environmental protection policy reversing the tendencies of ecological deterioration and establishing the bases for a
sustainable development in the country.
The generation of scientific and technical information on environmental issues and the training of human resources, in order to inform society,
support decision making, encourage the protection of the environment, promote the sustainable use of natural resources, and support the Secretary of
the Environment and Natural Resources in reaching its goals.
SEMARNAP - Raúl Marcó del Pont Lalli. Dirección de Publicaciones.
Instituto Nacional de Ecología
Periférico sur 5000, Col. Insurgentes Cuicuilco
Deleg. Coyoacán, C.P. 04530
Tel.: (55) 54 24 64 35, fax: (55) 54 24 52 41
E-mail: pmarco@ine.gob.mx
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PROFEPA:
Mission:
Contain the destruction of our natural resources and to revert the processes of environmental deterioration.
Ensure the unrestricted access to society to the duty of doing environmental justice in a prompt manner.
Involve Society and its organizations in the surveillance and induction of the compliance with environmental law. Society and its organizations must
be informed and have a responsible participation.
Strengthen the presence of the Attorney General for Environmental Protection and to extend its territorial coverage, with a federalist criteria.
Construct an efficient and modern institution, under criteria of honesty, transparency and trustworthiness, transmitting a new image to society.
Corrently Mr. Luege is the Attorney General for Environmental Protection, at the ministry of environment and National Resources
Address: La Ley al Servicio de la Naturaleza®. México D.F. 2002. Derechos Reservados. Desarrollado por
Kiven S.C.
Federal attorney for environmental protection:
Edificio AJUSCO
Carretera Picacho-Ajusco 200
Col. Jardines en la Montaña
Deleg. Tlalpan, C.P. 14210, México D.F.
tel. 54-49-63-00
De cualquier parte de la República marque sin costo al teléfono
01-800-77-033-72
01-800-77-033-72
pfpaweb@correo.profepa.gob.mx
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WiLDCOAST is an international conservation team dedicated to preserving endangered marine species and threatened coastal wildlands of the Californias.
Through community-based conservation, we work to eliminate threats to ecosystems and to develop reserves to permanently protect sensitive areas. Our
partnerships with local people, governments, and nonprofit organizations are critical to the successful recovery of imperiled species and the defense
of their coastal habitats.
WiLDCOAST
925 Seacoast Drive
Imperial Beach, CA 91932
Phone: (619) 423-8665
Fax: (619) 423-8488
Email: info@wildcoast.net
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Nature Conservancy:
Our Mission
To preserve the plants, animals and natural communities that represent the diversity of life on Earth by protecting the lands and waters they need to
survive
Worldwide Office
The Nature Conservancy
4245 North Fairfax Drive, Suite 100
Arlington, VA 22203-1606
Southern Baja California Program
Calle Alvaro Obregón #460 Of. 206
Colonia Centro
La Paz, Baja California Sur 23000
Mexico
(52) 612 125-9444
California Field Office
201 Mission Street
4th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
(415) 777-0487
calweb@tnc.org
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Pronatura A. C
What they do: Los seres humanos, al igual que todas las especies que pueblan la Tierra, nuestro planeta, formamos parte del rico espectro de la vida,
del cual dependemos para sobrevivir: los ecosistemas naturales nos proporcionan alimentos, medicinas, agua, oxígeno y diversas materias primas.
El mundo vivo está lleno de belleza natural y es extraordinariamente diverso. La Tierra es nuestra casa, pero también el hogar de millones de especies
que han evolucionado junto con nosotros en todos los ecosistemas del mundo. De su funcionamiento adecuado depende el equilibrio planetario.
Aspérgulas N° 22 (antes Pino)
Col. San Clemente, C. P. 01740, México, D.F.
Tel./fax (55) 5635-5054
pronatura@pronatura.org.mx
www.pronatura.org.mx
CONANP:
Alfredo Zavala Gonzáález, oversees protection of the Sea of Cortez islands for Mexico's National Commission of Protected Areas
Qué es la CONANP?
La Comisión Nacional de Áreas Naturales Protegidas, Conanp es un órgano desconcentrado de la Secretaría de Medio Ambiente y Recursos Naturales, la
Comisión está a cargo de la administración de las Áreas Naturales Protegidas, uno de los instrumentos básicos de la política de conservación de la
biodiversidad, tambien es responsable de instrumentar los Programas de Desarrollo Regional Sustentable no sólo en Áreas Naturales Protegidas sino en
otras Regiones Prioritarias para la Conservación que no cuenten con un decreto de proteción.
Dirección General de Manejo para la Conservación
Subdirección de Análisis de Información Espacial
Camino al Ajusco #200, Col. Jardínes en la Montaña, Delegación Tlalpan, México, Distrito Federal, Código Postal 14210,
Conmutador +52 555449 6300, Correo electrónico info@conanp.gob.mx
MEXIDATA@IX.netcom.com
Barnard R. Thompson
MIRA
PO Box 33782
San Diego CA 92163
Barnard Thompson has spent more than 40 years in Mexico and Latin America, providing consulting, business, governmental affairs, facilitation,
lobbying and problem resolution services for a variety of multinational clients. A free-lance writer and columnist, his commentary and op-ed pieces
on Mexico and Mexican affairs, U.S.A.-Mexico relations, the NAFTA, and other Latin American subjects and issues have appeared in publications
worldwide.
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Investigacion y Conservacion de Mamiferos Marinos de Ensenada, A.C., to evaluate the environmental impact of fishing and boat traffic on whales and
dolphins and start an environmental education program.
Pro Esteros, Lagunas y Marismas de las Californias, A.C., to help protect the Mona Estuary at Bahia de los Angeles.
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Loreto Tourism Office:
Email: fomixlor@lapaz.cromwell.com.mx
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Melissa Paxton,
Director of Environmental Affairs,
Baja Life Magazine
melpax@hotmail.com
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Crusoe
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Wilderone......Thanks for all the good energy and address's of where we can write. Myself and all my friends will write and get after them!!
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flyfishinPam
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Here's the original article translated.
Keep in mind that I did not write it. Also that the impact in Spanish is slightly different from the English version as some things or suggested
ideas and conceptes just do not translate. In addition, I have gringoified it, that is to say that I tried like heck to avoid the lengthy run-on
sentences so common in the Spanish language.
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Ecologists alarmed at the tourism and real estate deluge in Loreto, B.C.S.
Loreto, B.C.S., 18 february. The once forgotten and historic city of Loreto, Birthplace of the Californias, is currently living in a deluge of
tourism and real estate projects. This follows the plan of the Subregional Program of Urban Development in the zone which will see an increase in
population. The current population is 14,000 inhabitants and will increase nine times in the next 25 years.
The Antares Ecological Group (GEA) wonders what implications this “intimidating” demographic growth will have on Loreto’s society, economy and
environment. They mention that the authorities under estimate the numbers. They only figure that for every hotel room constructed, the population of
the municipality will increase between 2.7 and 13.5 persons, while en Los Cabos and Cancun the density is 20 persons per constructed [hotel] room.
“Only the development of Loreto Bay, where they’re planning to construct 13,000 hotel rooms, will bring 260,000 new inhabitants to the region.”
pointed out Sergio Morales Polo. Morales Polo represents the non-governmental Municipal Planning Committee.
He added that the Urban Development Program only covers the Loreto-Nopolo-Puerto Escondido- Notri-Ligui-Ensenada Blanca area. That’s only 65
kilomerers of shoreline while the municipality of Loreto contains 225 kilometers of shoreline. There are other development projects to the north and
the south, in San Bruno, San Basilio, Tembabichi, Agua Verde and San Nicholas without interference of authorities.
Precisely the same program that authorized to approve of 31,914 hotel rooms in the planned corridor, will generate an impact on the population by
increasing it 167,203 persons. -Approved by the authorities- Or the impact could be in increasing it by 638,238 persons if Loreto follows other
tourism projects catalyzed by fonatur.
In general, they project 80,000 hotel rooms and a growth of 1,500,00 persons in a region where the subterranean aquifers can only support 42,200
before saline intrusion occurs, pointed out Morales Polo.
Tourism Developments
Loreto is localized in the middle of the Peninsula de Baja California sur –which was founded by missionaries as a religious settlement and grew as far
as California USA. Loreto has 225 kilomertes of shoreline along the Sea of Cortez. In the 1970’s Loreto was selected by fonatur to become a world
class tourism destination.
In 1976, Fonatur acquired 522 hectares of land in the Nopolo zone, 6,400 hectares en Puerto Escondido and 743 in Loreto to construct hotels, condos,
and vacation residences, marinas and human settlements.
The first hotels started to operate in 1982, offering 454 hotel rooms, which included 138 in the town of Loreto. The number of registered tourists
that year was 46,000.
The 3,600,000 pesos that fonatur said they invested in the infrastructure for Loreto, stood at a standstill until 2001 when the Fox government revived
it.
Loreto Bay Company, of Canadian capital, was the first to take the Fonatur’s word. They’re projecting 600 hotel rooms, 6,374 residences, 4,571
villas, golf course, marina, spa, sport fishing center, restaurants and commercial, recreation and cultural centers.
Villas Group with experience in Los Cabos, has announced their acquisition of Ensenada Blanca, where they will invest 750,000,000 dollars in the
construction of 2,200 hotel rooms in the span of 15 years and will generate 6,500 jobs.
North of the city in San Bruno, outside the area of urban planning, the project Loreto Paraiso has just been made official. This project is by Fadesa
Group of Spain, who is contemplating to invest 5,000,000 dollars in their area of 3,000 hectares and generate 3,000 direct jobs.
The master plan of tourism that was presented by governor Narcisco Agundez Montano contemplated 12,700 hotel rooms, two championship golf courses,
6,500 residential units, a 23 hectare marina with a capacity of 1,000 moorings and a 800 hectare natural reserve.
With this profusion of investment, the director of GEA, Fernando Arcas, pointed out that the growth will be chaotic and its repercussions on the
environment devastating.
He suspects that authorities and developers “have taken with much levity” the topic of water. They say that they will construct desalination plants
but they don’t declare the size of these plants, where they will put them, or where they will deposit the waste. Remember that GEA was the force
behind the creation of “the National Bay of Loreto Marine Park”, where there are regulations, but we don’t know what will happen with so many people”.
He expressed that there are many questions without answers, like where will the workers and their families live; and the use of the beaches within the
zone which are small, and the subject of the basic services for the population.
Arcas objected to the argument given by the authorities that development brings investment and employment to Loreto, but in reality the good jobs are
for those from outside Loreto, and Loretanos must submit to becoming gardeners, construction workers, plumbers and conform to the demands of the age.
In Loreto Bay where they are making “luxury ‘projects’ ”, they have been land speculating: small ejido lots that before cost 20,000 pesos now they
are marketing for 1,500,00 because they have the beach in front. “Those are prices for crazies, the land does not have value to them, only how its
presented, but there are those who pay these quantities within the people who come from the US and Canada.” He said.
He indicated that “everywhere” they are selling lots, and he commented that tourism has increased last year because people from La Paz, Los Cabos and
foreigners are looking for land to buy.
The Sierra de la Giganta, the Bay of Loreto Marine Park, islands, islets, mangroves, estuaries and springs within the zone are all at risk because of
what the Urban Development Plan has ignored. They only say where the developments will be, how many rooms will be constructed and how many floors the
hotels will have. But the major portion of the shorelines, among those projects San Bruno, are not planned by the city.
“If there are places that will suffer it will be the mangrove estuaries. Loreto Paraiso has a precious mangrove estuary”, he said.
The municipal president (mayor) of Loreto, Rodolfo Davis Osuna, more optimistically, accepted an interview about what he has done about the
accelerated population growth, but he admitted that soon there will be three instruments to control it: the Urban Development Plan, the Ecological
Ordinance Plan and scientific studies of the regions aquifers.
He admitted that the subject of the ecology worries everyone, and because of that he’s working to on elaborating documents that give certification to
development projects with respect to the environment.
They’re not paying attention, said Morales Polo of GEA, “incredible that they make a strategic plan of development and they don’t have any scientific
studies about the problem of water supply in the region.”
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When and If it gets bad enough, the People of Loreto will respond as they have in the Past!
They will March out in force and close the Road and prevent the passage of Vehicles from the North and the Airport---Just as they did on the Water
Problem many years ago as well as the time when they wanted the Mission Bell brought from La Paz.
Time will Tell!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
When and If it gets bad enough, the People of Loreto will respond as they have in the Past!
They will March out in force and close the Road and prevent the passage of Vehicles from the North and the Airport---Just as they did on the Water
Problem many years ago as well as the time when they wanted the Mission Bell brought from La Paz.
Time will Tell!
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Nope. Too late.
The people of Loreto now are mostly from Oaxaca and they work for Loreto Bay.
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Pam (and Osprey)
Thank you so much for taking the time to translate the article.
I wish I had answers to this dilema but I don't. I do have hope for the Escalera Nautica curse to fall on the LBC projects.
sincerely,
Bedman
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Yesterday I sent a letter and other materials to the San Diego Union Tribune, suggesting that a story on the status of the LB project is due, with a
focus on getting real answers to the questions of water, electricity and sewage vis a vis LB's promises and the scientific reports of an insufficient
water supply. As you know, LB has an office and market the property in San Diego.
I also made an inquiry to the Loreto Bay Foundation regarding its 2006 annual report. They replied that it will be out in the next few weeks and
posted online.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Yesterday I sent a letter and other materials to the San Diego Union Tribune, suggesting that a story on the status of the LB project is due, with a
focus on getting real answers to the questions of water, electricity and sewage vis a vis LB's promises and the scientific reports of an insufficient
water supply. As you know, LB has an office and market the property in San Diego.
I also made an inquiry to the Loreto Bay Foundation regarding its 2006 annual report. They replied that it will be out in the next few weeks and
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I would like to apologize to you and to sharks on my response a few days ago. It came out of frustration and a feeling of helplesness. My background
is in science, chemistry and biology and I have always in my professional life, and now dealt in facts, black and white. I have no experience in
environmental and political issues and how they are dealt with. So I am doing the best that I can. THanks you for putting this to the attention of
the newspapers in the US. funny thing is that when the Gringo GAzette made its presence known in Loreto it was on the basis that they would do some
investigative reporting about the projects destined for this area. So I advertized and paid in advance only to see a huge ad from LB and a few lame
stories about them. another case of my "getting had" falling for the bait. So after many tries as teh editor trying to get me to write for them, I
decicdeed to keep my good name (if I have one anymore) out of it. I am told this morning that Loreto will no longer appear in their paper because
they are unhappy at the disinterest in the ad base. I pulled my ad last issue because I felt that I was deceived. guess it won't be the last time.
Maybe I'm wrong but I think the focus needs to be on the people of Loreto as thus far they are being deliberately kept in the dard on the entire issue
and the powers that be are hoping this will continue until after its too late. And what Skeet described happened in the past but we are beyond that
point with this issue now.
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Pam
I would also like to apologize for my back-handed response. My feelings towards this crisis run deep and your post got the better of me. I was
passionately peeed off that the authorities are so friggin blind.
Like the Wildone, I also sent letters seeking to bolster support that focus on the future of uncontrolled development which will eventually exact
it's toll on the sea we all love.
Keep up the push Pam. I'll help as I can to involve or direct interested parties. No hard feelings...please.
Corky
[Edited on 3-8-2007 by Sharksbaja]
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The grants from the LB Foundation is supposed to help the citizens of Loreto. You should form a committee to apply for grants on a regular basis
which reflect the needs of the community - library, patrol boat, gasoline storage for patrol boats, medical equipment, trash maintenance, refurbished
toilets at the bus station, sidewalk repair, etc.
If there is an LB property owner out there who has access to the "homeowner only" newsletter, let us know what LB is telling you about its plans. As
a sidenote, why is news of any substance on their website kept from the public? Any LB full time residents? What's the scoop?
I think I'll write to LB. I'll quote their promises and ask what the current status is. I'll dare them to reply. For instance, what has become of
their liaison with Ocean Alliance and their plan to build a marine research center?
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Loreto Bay Company
Hi everyone,
Received an update e mail from LBC today as I had asked them for info on their project recently.
Citigroup Property Investors have formed a joint venture with LBCo and now have shared ownership of the project.
The e mail also advised that:
They have done the first archaeology dig and found some artefacts;
They have a forest of boxed trees for replanting at Aqua Viva following plant material removal; They have built a new home for the local bat
population (previously lived in a Fonatur unfinished convention centre);
Under their Reptile Rescue programme, 101 beasties have been saved in the last 6 weeks.
You guys on the ground may already know all this stuff. I guess it makes good headlines but is hardly earth shattering stuff.
Saludos,
Medina
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Medina
Hi everyone,
Received an update e mail from LBC today as I had asked them for info on their project recently.
Citigroup Property Investors have formed a joint venture with LBCo and now have shared ownership of the project.
The e mail also advised that:
They have done the first archaeology dig and found some artefacts;
They have a forest of boxed trees for replanting at Aqua Viva following plant material removal; They have built a new home for the local bat
population (previously lived in a Fonatur unfinished convention centre);
Under their Reptile Rescue programme, 101 beasties have been saved in the last 6 weeks.
You guys on the ground may already know all this stuff. I guess it makes good headlines but is hardly earth shattering stuff.
Saludos,
Medina |
We also have seen parade after parade of dump trucks bringing in dirt to make the pads for all of the building they are doing. The source, where all
that soil is excavated, is behind a locked gate.
Maybe that's what they rescued the reptiles from.
Maybe they are keeping the bats there.
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Sharksbaja
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we all knew this... somehow
Jan. 24, 2007
Citigroup Property Investors Takes On Loreto Bay Company´s Sustainable Vision Through a Joint Venture
LORETO, Mexico, Jan. 24 /PRNewswire/ --
LORETO, Mexico, Jan. 24 /PRNewswire/ -- Loreto Bay Company and Citigroup Property Investors (CPI) announced today a joint venture resulting in shared
ownership of Loreto Bay Company. The Company is the developer of North America's largest sustainable resort community located in the region of Loreto
in Baja California Sur, Mexico. Citigroup Property Investors provided growth capital to the Company to accelerate its business plan, and contributed
its share of the Inn at Loreto Bay, a previous joint venture by the two companies, in exchange for units of Loreto Bay Company.
"Citigroup Property Investors' strong reputation and interest in our sustainable platform make them an ideal partner to help Loreto Bay Company's
vision become reality," said Tom Nolan, COO of Loreto Bay Company. Loreto Bay's master plan calls for 6,000 village-style homes built in pedestrian-
friendly neighborhoods in a community design based on the concepts of sustainable development, aimed to protect and enhance the natural, social and
economic environment. Loreto Bay Company's focus on sustainability and commitment to long term financial success were instrumental to Citigroup's
decision to participate in the venture.
The association of Loreto Bay Company's sustainable development with a financial firm of the caliber and name recognition of Citigroup provides the
development with enhanced credibility, in addition to strengthening the Company's financial security. Both companies share the vision of establishing
Loreto Bay as a premier destination in Baja Sur. With the nearby Loreto International Airport, daily non-stop flights from Los Angeles on Alaska
Airlines and Delta Airlines, travel to Loreto has increased steadily throughout 2005 and 2006. The development, the Inn at Loreto Bay and the
surrounding community will benefit significantly from the major commitment to tourism efforts in the region.
About Loreto Bay Company
Loreto Bay Company, headquartered in Scottsdale, Arizona, is developing The Villages of Loreto Bay, a series of seaside villages in walkable
neighborhoods built near the historic fishing village of Loreto, Baja California Sur, Mexico. The Villages of Loreto Bay will be a showcase for
sustainable development practices. Founded in 2003, the company is led by Chairman David Butterfield, President and CEO Jim Grogan and Partner and COO
Tom Nolan. For more news and information, visit www.loretobay.com.
About Citigroup Property Investors
Citigroup Property Investors (CPI) is a global investment manager with offices in New York, London, Los Angeles, Shanghai and Hong Kong, and a
presence in Mumbai. With nearly $10 billion in assets under management, CPI invests across both private and public markets with dedicated teams in
North America, Europe and Asia. CPI's strength is defined by its research-driven investment strategies, capital market sensitivity and exceptional
investment sourcing and execution capabilities. CPI is the real estate investment center of Citigroup Alternative Investments, which brings together
Citigroup's broad expertise to create a single platform for the management, development and marketing of alternative investments to institutional and
high net worth investors. Citigroup's proprietary capital is used to seed, and co-invest with, investors in CPI's real estate investment funds.
CONTACTS: Stacey Boltz, Loreto Bay Company, 480.443.8350 or
Sara Garibaldi, Edelman, 212-704-4556
Loreto Bay Company
CONTACT: Stacey Boltz, Loreto Bay Company, +1-480-443-8350; or Sara
Garibaldi, Edelman, +1-212-704-4556
Web site: http://www.loretobay.com/
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 Gee, caliber & name recognition. That's what excites me!!!!!!!
 Hey, drop these gals a line.
What happened to need growth capital from Citigroup? GULP!
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"They have done the first archaeology dig and found some artefacts;"
Who is “they” – a bulldozer operator? How are they handling these artifacts and a new discovery of ancient habitation? Destroying it? Has INAH been
contacted?
"They have a forest of boxed trees for replanting at Aqua Viva following plant material removal; "
After destroying the native plants, they’re replacing them. Well, how thoughtful. What are they replacing them with - Non-native species?
"They have built a new home for the local bat population (previously lived in a Fonatur unfinished convention centre);"
Oh, please.
"Under their Reptile Rescue programme, 101 beasties have been saved in the last 6 weeks."
A Reptile Rescue programme?? Have been “saved” from what? What are they doing with them? This has got to be made up.
THE NONSENSE IS OVERWHELMING – and yes, I criticize – how can you not?
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