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Bajafun777
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New Proposed Immigration Law Real or Unreal??
Since I live on the border this new immigration bill before the House and Senate jumps all over the place. Why can we not have the same immigration
laws as Mexico has??? Would that not change the arguements in this Country some. We have others constantly telling us how unfair any type of
immigration reform is but look at Mexico's and why not move ours around the same line. If you do not have the money in bank don't come, if you plan
on working don't for 5 years and then only at jobs locals can not do (figure that one out), if you get citizenship then do not plan on voting in
elections as you can't, if you plan on owning land you have restrictions where you can own, and there is still more. Now, who says any type of
immigration law is not going to be unfair to others? By just the fact that you have a law limits someone from doing something they want but the
majority says no to. Jobs in farming are not the real reason as the farm jobs are only 6% of immigrants workers and the rest are in hotels, food
services, manufactoring, construction, etc. Go to Walmart in Calexico and over half of the workers are from Mexicali. Our Country has made it too
easy for people here to say what they will work at or not by the quick handout we give in assistance, I do not mind a hand up but take issue with
continual handouts! Big business is running our immigration laws and unfortunately big business owns our legislatures, so get ready for an
immigration law that will not be worth the paper it is written on. Thus, I tell friends I do not worry about things I can not change and learn to
live with the things that I do have control over. It's not about people hating people from Mexico it's about how much can our own economy handle
before we find ourselves in Mexico's economic troubles, feel China's economic crush over us yet????? Mexico and United States need to make the
companies relocating in Mexico and not paying a living wage stop such practices and pay according to what their profits show could be paid. This
should be reviewed by Mexico Government Auditors of these companies that take advantage of cheap labor to the extreme. However, this thing is so far
out of control I seriously doubt that any good happens from any legislation!! The way things are currently are not good for Mexico nor the United
States. bajafun777
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fishbuck
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I have a friend who does hard scape (cement,stone) work. He has 2 illegal mexican guys working for him. Neither pays taxes, social security, has
health insurance etc. Both of these guys have nointention of ever going back to Mexico.
1 is married. His wife is illegal. They have one kid born here. They us all of our social services yet contribute not one thin dine except maybe sales
tax.
I asked my buddy if they would pay the $5000 to become legal and he said no way . They don't have the money.
If my friend ad to pay a legal US ctizen with benefits and taxes I don't think he could stay in business. But in essence he is cheating the american
people and so are his workers. And when his workers kid gets old enough for school we'll all will have to pay to educate him without any contribution
from his parents.
We pay more to have these people in our country than we receive any benfit from.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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bajalou
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fishbuck
It is your friend's responsibility to deduct and pay the SS and income taxes for his employees. Employees don't pay SS direct, it's the employer's
responsibility - so don't blame the employee for what his employer doesn't do.
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DENNIS
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Yeah, Fish -----
Your buddy is the biggest part of the problem, for a half dozen different reasons.
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Skeet/Loreto
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fISHBUCK: My concern with trying to remove all of the Good Mexican Workers from the States is Economic.
The Price we would have to go up very High on the Following;
All Food Products Harvested by Mexicanos especially in the Central Valley of Calif:
All Milk Products as most workers are Mexicano.
Most McDonalds in The Western U.S.
Landscaping Jobs.
Just to name a Few. Then where and who would we get to Work in these Jobs??
The Feedlots and Beef Packing Plants would have to Double their Pay, if they could find the Workers- Many Thousands.
I certainly do not profess to have the Answer, but I have always supported those People who will Work !!
Skeet
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DENNIS
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What the United States needs is a machine that picks strawberrys.
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bajaguy
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Fish
Your friend is in violation of the law and so are his two employees..................I wonder if we as a nation would tolerate employing or hiring
bank robbers, rapists and scam artists...............just a thought.
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Bajafun777
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The farm labor work again only hires about 6%, my dad was a grower and the farm vegetables use to be harvested by the Filipino workers that came to
the states to make money and also went back to their Islands with what they earned. Our high school kids can't get jobs in the fast food industry
like the old days as you have illegals doing it and bumping them out of any work. I know that a lot of them want a job but these fast food companies
like hiring illegals as they are afraid to say anything if they fudge on their pay and they are older so you do not have to work with a teenager. I
use to drive tractor when I was 12 but you won't now and the laws require teenagers to get work permits, so we have our own teenage kids having to
show paperwork for work to get a job but not the illegals. Just makes you scratch you head and ask what the hell happened. I do not have anything
against legal immigration and within limits just like these other Countries do towards our citizens. I do believe in a level immigration field what's
good for one is good for the other. I feel sorry for those that played by the rules, stood in line, paid their monies, and are now on a wait and see
list. If they would have cheated they could have more than earned the $5,000 dollars it would take to get into our Country and only have to be out 1
year to get back in by cheating. If they do it for them then they need to speed the process up for those that played by the rules and they should get
their paperwork before those that cheated. We have people that will work in all trades, even landscrapping, but we need to acknowledge that we can
not pay a cheaters price for that labor any longer. I had a brother-in-law that quit his construction business because he played by the rules and
those that did not uncut his get by costs with illegal help. Workers Comp, Unemployment benefits, State Taxes, Federal Taxes and they guy was working
18 hours a day on numerous homes trying to get by. Try doing a Construction business by the border and it is tough, I mean real tough because people
hire those that should not be working. I still see no hope to correct this as politicians are only out for themselves. The ones that try to be
honest get crushed or pushed to the side with all of the big businesses monies go to those that are beholding to their wishes. Sad part is we allow
ourselves as a Country to keep getting the short end of the stick. Either play by the rules or get out and if you don't like the rules again stay
out. bajafun777
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Baja Bernie
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Skeet
Try drywall hangers, plumbers, electricians, carpenters......If you want to apply for a foreman's job you must be bilingual or the workers will not
understand your instructions.
l It's mostly the young Mexican kids (like ours used to do) who work flipping hamburgers.
Very few of them now follow the crops because union organizer,Ceasar Chavez, got most of the farms to invest in various equipment to handle the crops.
Last time the wife wanted some drywall hung here in Santee she called someone listed in the Pennysaver and he showed up after crossing the
border.............no papers........but no Americans left to do 'small' jobs because that trade is completely under control of non-documented
workers.........he did have a cell phone that he booked jobs from his home in TJ...........Great worker and a good family man.........I am sure he
declared and paid taxes on the cash, only way he would work, we paid him.........that alone gives him and many others a 15-25% advantage over domestic
tax paying workers workers.
Let's start thinking of Americans with family's to raise and jobs for our own kids to earn money at.........My grandson recently got canned from
Carl's because he didn't speak enough Spanish to get along with the rest of the staff.---just a small example of what is wrong with illegal
immigration.
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Oso
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"Under this new congressional plan, illegal immigrants would be able to live in the United States if they pay a $5,000 fine. $5,000? So, that would
rule out working people or parents trying to support a family. However, you would get to keep all the drug dealers." --Jay Leno
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishbuck
But in essence he is cheating the american people and so are his workers. A |
This is the
problem.... not the poor who are trying to make something better for their families ....... but the Amerikan businesspersons who exploit them .  CaboRon
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MrBillM
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The LAW !
The Senate Ds successfully defeated a GOP amendment last night that simply said all CURRENT Immigration Law was to be enforced. That says a whole
bunch about where this monstrosity is heading.
However, two days before, the Senate PASSED a D-Sponsored Amendment funding a program to "Study the treatment of European-Americans,
Italian-Americans and Jews during WWII (by us, of course). One D Senator said that it was time "these questions were answered". Talk about
a load of Scheisse.
I'm not sure why they decided Italians were not Europeans, but I'm not curious enough to look deeper. I guess we've done enough self-flagellation
over the Japanese Americans that they didn't need to be included.
Cheer up, though, important things are happening in the Human Rights arena. Paris Hilton has been released from her Political Persecution after a
crushing three days of torture.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
Paris Hilton has been released from her Political Persecution after a crushing three days of torture. |
SHE HAD A RASH !!!!   :wow POOR THING !!!!!!!!!!!
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Baja Bernie
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In answer to the original question
and after much study I have come to a conclusion:
And that is that the proposed law is REALLY UNREAL and it is getting more so every minute.
The last I heard the Senate voted down a proposal that would have dis-allowed illegal, convicted felons, from applying for citizenship.........by this
action our citizenship is now made even more worthless by allowing felons to become American Citizens
It is truly and REALLY UNREAL!
[Edited on 6-7-2007 by Baja Bernie]
My smidgen of a claim to fame is that I have had so many really good friends. By Bernie Swaim December 2007
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Mexitron
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I remember illegals going home in the 90's recession from lack of work--between that and a little extra enforcement from Immigration, the neighborhood
barrio in Dana Point was a lot quieter.
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CaboRon
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Gang Members request Asylum in US
| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja Bernie
and after much study I have come to a conclusion:
And that is that the proposed law is REALLY UNREAL and it is getting more so every minute.
The last I heard the Senate voted down a proposal that would have dis-allowed illegal, convicted felons, from applying for citizenship.........by this
action our citizenship is now made even more worthless by allowing felons to become American Citizens
It is truly and REALLY UNREAL!
[Edited on 6-7-2007 by Baja Bernie] |
This is outragous....what's more so is that Gang Members
are using their membership to request asylum instead of deportation because members of Latin American countries treat them like they treated the
members of their communities here. Several have already been given asylum under this argument. Gang members are routinly dealt with severly by
their countryman. This is so convoluted that it makes my head
spin   CaboRon
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Cypress
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The proposed law or whatever it is, is a joke! Nobody is laughing! It's a bad
reflection on our so-called leaders.
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MrBillM
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A Weakening Pulse
The Abominable Amnesty Bill was thought to be Dead and ready for burial last night, but Harry Reid Blew enough hot air to resuscitate it a little
today, however, the prognosis may be Terminal.
Proof of that may be in Harry Rex's pronouncement today that this was "The President's Bill. He brought it to us. If it fails, it's his fault".
Denying ownership and assigning blame is always a good indicator of the probable result. I guess Teddie's co-ownership of the bill was just an
illusion. Now, at least.
RIP I hope.
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MrBillM
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Going, Going, GONE !
The Senate fell 15 Votes short of the 60 needed to invoke Cloture, effectively KILLING the legislation in its present form.
It was said that Senators were feeling increasing grassroots oppositon from back home. That's the upside to the Congress engaging in this sort of
stuff near an election cycle. They actually pay attention to what their constituents think.
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Gnome-ad
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Guess problems get put off. I sure don't know the solution either. Most of us, or our ancestors, came from somewhere else and most likely took a long
time to assimilate as well and may have been indentured or dirt poor. They probably sought out the parts of cities or the country where others of
similar ancestry settled. That is the survival instinct.
I mostly wanted to post here to say - MrBillM - Absolutely love your avatar ... is that your talented pooch?
The only normal people are the ones you don't know very well. - Ancis
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