| Margie 
 
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| Surfing As A Sub-Culture in USA & Mexico 
 
 Forty years ago, surfing was a definite anti-authoritarian, rebel
 sub-culture on the California west coast.  Over the years, the sport has become increasingly commercialized.  Has surfing lost it's sub-cultural
allure and become mainstream? Do Mexican surfers feel that it is a subculture, or a sport that only a few priveledged par take in ?
 
 Your thoughts  and comments, please.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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| elgatoloco 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by Margie Forty years ago, surfing was a definite anti-authoritarian, rebel
 sub-culture on the California west coast.  Over the years, the sport has become increasingly commercialized.  Has surfing lost it's sub-cultural
allure and become mainstream?
 
 Your thoughts  and comments, please.
 
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| Margie 
 
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| Subculture 
 
 Would you like to expound on your answer, Elgatoloco and tell us why you think that surfing still is a subculture, perhaps a personal outlook
 on some of your experiences within the subculture.
 
 ..and, if still retains the aura of a subculture, how can it effectively deal with issues which affect both itself and mainstream society.?
 
 
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 I think most of us surf because it makes us feel good not to impress any one.
 So it's still an inside the heart thing that only surfers know. So it's a culture known only to surfers
 
 
 But to tell the truth  I don't surf on weekends any more....... to many people enjoying the cultuer. who can blame them?
 
 
 
 
 
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| surf clubs/contests 
 
 What're your feeling on these? The both seem contrary to the spirit of surfing.
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| elgatoloco 
 
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 I think that you have to separate the actual act of surfing and the commercialization of the surfing sub-culture.
 
 It is true that kids in North Dakota are wearing Billabong board shorts to the reservoir on summer weekends but that has not taken away the fact that
surfers are still considered part of a sub-culture by most of the rest of the non surfing population.
 
 
 
 
 
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| Margie 
 
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 Okay, that's a good point, elgatoloco.  Let's separate this, because now we have two different issues going on, surfing as a lifestyle and surfing as
a sub-culture. I think we can all agree that suring is a lifestyle.
 
 So, it also seems that most of us are accepting that it is  still also a sub-culture.  I think nowadys it is more affecting on the mainstream, more
political and organized as far as the environment is concerned .
 
 More thoughts?
 
 The evolution of surfing, where it is headed in the future?
 
 
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