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danaeb
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Woody, you're probably too young, but old hippie (how old?) do you remember 'Space Man' on the beach in OB? I'm an 'old' native also.
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woody with a view
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you bet i remember Spaceman. he lived in the cottages at the foot of the pier. Clint Cary? was his name i think. somewhere i have an old business card
that was supposed to provide "passage" for when his "people" landed to take us to the stars......good dope, i guess!
any chance you have any of his paintings you don't want anymore????
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bancoduo
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I was a OB lifeguard in the early 60's when SPACE arrived. OK at first, but the skinny bastard turned into a real pain in the butt. Had to arrest him
a number of times, which didn't make me very popular. 
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danaeb
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OK - apologies for momentarily hijacking this thread, but this is what I love about nomads. Bancoduo, you were probably at your lifeguard station in
'63-64 when my teenage girlfriends and I were slathering on our iodine and baby oil and spending our summer days on the beach.
Dana
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bancoduo
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Where did you hang on the beach?
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danaeb
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Usually at the foot of Newport on the main part of the beach, but sometimes we hung with the bad boys, under the cliff, south of the pier.
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oldhippie
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I used to trip out in those cottages at the pier when spaceman lived there, '75 or so. I had a hand painted original ticket to get onboard for the
longest time but it's gone. I talked to Billy a while back, the son and now owner of those cottages. As he tells it he's had all sorts of offers for
that prime real estate but feels the cottages embody the character of OB and is not going to change them. He looks just like his dad did.
I learned to surf at the pier. High tide, the pier, low tide north garbage, before leashes.
We should probably start an OB thread.
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oldhippie
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[Edited on 6-23-2007 by oldhippie]
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oldhippie
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I apologize dennis, it's not my place to single out any nomad. That was a mistake. I'll remove the post.
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DENNIS
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Thanks for that, Oldhappyone...........
Mine last one comes down as well. You can see how cranky I get early in the morning.
Have a good day.
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Cypress
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Packoderm. There definitely seems to be more people each year. Immigrants aren't living in those McMansions that are popping-up all over the
countryside.
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woody with a view
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immigration is necessary. but come through the gate, not over the fence.
where's the fence?
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Packoderm
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Yes woody, I can see how immigration is necessary in order for a society to not become too centric in any fashion. Diversity is a good thing for fresh
ideas and to breed tolerance. The border? The fence? Those things have been allowed to become just a joke. It must be worth it for somebody or that
wouldn't be the case.
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Mexitron
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Pack--Economically reverting to 1969 could be done but it will take some amount of recession and retrofitting I would guess; thing is that corporate
America wants to keep growing to keep the bottom line happy, and the immigrants from Mexico help that out.
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DENNIS
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Yeah .......... Where's the fence?
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woody with a view
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MrBillM
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We Won.........
They Lost. Get over it.
I'm willing to bet that we'd have the same result today if we adopted the same (economic and military) approach.
BTW, adopting the Aborigine viewpoint, would result in ALL of the Mexicans being thrown out too. They merely INVADED at an earlier date for a SHORTER
period.
It's ironic that today's Mexican Rights groups justify their possession based on their own invasion. Especially given the fact that majorities of
both the Aborigines and the Mexican residents of Ca-Az-NM welcomed the U.S. war against Mexico with the hope that they'd be treated better than they
had been under Mexican rule.
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oldhippie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mexitron
... reverting to 1969 could be done ... |
cool, I can go to Woodstock again!
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oldhippie
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| Quote: | Originally posted by MrBillM
It's ironic that today's Mexican Rights groups justify their possession based on their own invasion. |
MrBill, I don't understand. Care to elaborate?
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Packoderm
OK, where to start? The original post seems to contend that if our country doesn't experience population growth the U.S. will sputter and die? If
immigration were to be halted, how long would it then take for our population to get to where it was in 1969? I believe that was just about the point
where our population centers were rapidly spilling over into the countryside tearing up farms to make room for yet more housing and strip malls and
such. I wouldn't be totally against letting our population lower to the level of 1969 for a better quality of life instead of how crowded things seem
today.
As for economics, our Social Security taxes that actually goes toward supporting the older folks is not that big of a chunk of our incomes especially
if you omit the more nutty of Social Security's outlays. Also, it is dwarfed by what we are to pay for national security.
We could contribute a larger portion of our incomes to pay for a larger percentage of a retired population without too much real economic duress if we
decided that's what we want to do. Anyway, the old timers will die off eventually, and the fewer members of future generation's population sans the
growth due to immigrants will result in a moderation of the young/old ratio in the future.
So, the question is, what kind of America would you want your grandchildren to inherit? I do enjoy American culture; and while it will evolve due to
influences from around the globe - and that's a good thing, I would rather not see a single entity - Mexico - hijack it so thoroughly.
Downsizing seems to work for corporations, so why should it seem so automatically bad for the U.S. in general?
My proposal: Cease immigration into the U.S. until we reach a targeted, lowered level, and then, and only then, offer a limited level of immigration,
and it should be rationed fairly to all the immigration candidates around the whole world without domination from a single entity so that our targeted
population level is maintained. And this should occur only if necessary.
And one last thing, I hate to hear all this bullcorn about how we can't change something just because it has started. We can change it - and we must.
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Packoderm...Please remove your post...this thread is not meant to allow you, your liberal agenda. Your graph is totally inaccurate and you are trying
to cover up for the Democrats voting themselves enormous retirement packages and blame it on our Militery....few of which retire and suck the
Government dry.
His pie chart is from:War Resisters League program
This has nothing to do with legal/illegal immigrations or our country need for them
Albert G
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