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Taco de Baja
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Senate immigration bill suffers crushing defeat
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush's immigration bill suffered a crushing defeat Thursday in the Senate, when members voted against advancing the
controversial legislation.
The tally was 46 to 53, 14 votes shy of the 60 needed to end debate.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/28/immigration.congress/...
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toneart
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There will never be an immigration bill that satisfies everybody. Compromise seems impossible due to polemics and agendas within agendas within
agendas. The word, "amnesty" became a rallying point that was an inaccurate label; a tactic we have seen to be so effective time after time.
The reality is: the fence is too costly and wouldn't work anyway.
There is no way to round up all the illegals and transport them back across the border. It is too late for that and it is too far out of control. Hey,
you already like tacos, Corona and margaritas. The culture is already pervasive. Get used to it and move over.
As I have said in many past posts, let market conditions take care of it. If the jobs aren't here, most will go back to their country and their
families. Right now, the job opportunities are greatly diminished because the housing market, and therefore the construction industry has slowed down.
The construction industry needs to regulate itself by imposing standards for skilled positions. The standards already in place. They just need to be
adhered to. To take this beyond one industry, again, stop hiring illegals!
Mexican labor is still needed to fill the unskilled jobs, i.e. agriculture, healthcare, restaurant bussing and dishwashing and domestic work. If an
American citizen really wants any of these menial jobs, jump in. The same goes for skilled positions. If a Mexican is here legally and is trained and
qualified for a skilled position, jump in. Just don't exploit the Mexican as cheap labor. 
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MrBillM
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Head Em Up and Move Em Out !
"Rollin, Rollin, Rollin. Rawhide."
A good starting point would be the Home Depots that were featured on the TV news the past few days where each vehicle pulling into the parking lot was
MOBBED by Plaintive Day Workers seeking employment. Anyone seeking employment is required to present their legal documents. I did. Simply demand
their docs and arrest those who can't produce.
Speaking of those Home Depots, a major problem in some local communities is that they are requiring the Vendor to put in Air-Conditioned waiting rooms
with Restroom facilities for the Illegals. One community required Home Depot to place a Lawyer on retainer to protect the Immigrant rights. A Failed
amendment to the FAILED Bill would have exercised Federal pre-emption in that area.
Unfixable ? I don't think so. As another writer put the problem "The country that created the Manhattan Project and won WWII should be able to get
control of its borders".
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woody with a view
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WHERE'S THE FENCE?
line the border with the type of fence along tj. concrete poles 35 feet high that you can't easily dig under or scale, much less squeeze through a
hole that's been cut! put cameras with overlapping coverage along the length so when someone tries to get across you can put border agents on scene
quickly. the cost would be miniscule (sp.) compared to the savings to our health care, educational, correctional, and welfare systems over the next
generation. stop the flood and deal then with what's here already...
WHERE'S THE FENCE?
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DENNIS
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Yeah ....... Where's the fence? I want to see the fence we've been promised, by law.
I mentioned the idea in a previous post that the fence should be placed a short distance in from the border line. That way, if anybody even gets
close enough to smell the fence, he has already invaded our country.
Do what has to be done. I don't care if I never have strawberrys again and if I had a pool that needed cleaning, I would clean it myself. I already
clean my own toilet. I hope that's not an illegal act.
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Cypress
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I'm done with Bush. Other than selecting a conservative supreme court judge or two, he's more or less useless. This immigration fiasco, highlights how
dumb our so-called leaders in the USA are.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
I'm done with Bush. Other than selecting a conservative supreme court judge or two, he's more or less useless. This immigration fiasco, highlights how
dumb our so-called leaders in the USA are. |
So true. Our leaders are leading us into the crapper. Lee Harvey Oswald should have waited. He shot the wrong Kennedy.
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DianaT
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That bill had opposition and support from all sides---tis not an easy issue and it is always about economic issues --- using any mention of security
is a joke.
But from the above posts, and many others, I guess many of you would not like our "Impeach Cheney First" bumper sticker that is below our "Got Baja?"
sticker. 
Opps, I have stayed away from politics on this board, but I guess I slipped.
Diane
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Al G
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
I'm done with Bush. Other than selecting a conservative supreme court judge or two, he's more or less useless. This immigration fiasco, highlights how
dumb our so-called leaders in the USA are. |
So true. Our leaders are leading us into the crapper. Lee Harvey Oswald should have waited. He shot the wrong Kennedy. |
Amen Brother....
Albert G
Remember, if you haven\'t got a smile on your face and laughter in your heart, then you are just a sour old fart!....
The most precious thing we have is life, yet it has absolutely no trade-in value.
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DENNIS
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Diane ------
That's interesting. If one is for amnesty, it's an economic issue. If one is against amnesty, it's a moral issue.
Makes it difficult to compromise.
I like the Cheney bumper sticker. I liked the idea six years ago. Too bad it won't happen.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Diane ------
That's interesting. If one is for amnesty, it's an economic issue. If one is against amnesty, it's a moral issue.
Makes it difficult to compromise.
I like the Cheney bumper sticker. I liked the idea six years ago. Too bad it won't happen. |
Guess we can't impeach Cheney because he is not a part of the executive branch. He is a part of some unknown branch of government that he created,
and our Constitution, ---the one Cheney shreds---does not provide for impeaching members of this new undefined branch of government.
Yes, to be against amnesty is a moral issue, IMHO --- But the unlying issue is still economic, I believe. When cheap labor was needed, and the
middle class was doing well, the government just let the immigration happen.
We used to watch the INS bus show up at the end of harvest season in the Central Valley of California. It was all a quiet understanding. Workers
came, and then got a free ride back to the border so they could go home and visit their families until the next year.
Yes, it is different now as the undocumented workers are now in many more industries and while the overall nation's economy is doing well, the middle
class worker is slipping---the wealth distribution curve has changed. Thus, the undocumented worker is blamed.
The cycle has been repeated several times throughout our history, and far too often the moral or human side is ignored in favor of money.
When we lived in Calexico, they had a saying there to the effect that "we and our families did not cross the fence, the fence crossed us." But on the
other hand, most of my high school students were anti-immigration, and anti-any worker program because the part time jobs were all taken,
Never an easy question, unless one is George W. Bush who only thinks in simple terms---his friends need cheap labor.
Diane
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DENNIS
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Diane ----
Coming out, as you have just done, may be cathartic. Give us more.
I only said that Cheney won't be impeached because I don't think there is enough time left to do that. I can only hope that the efforts continue.
Another moral issue.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Diane ----
Coming out, as you have just done, may be cathartic. Give us more.
I only said that Cheney won't be impeached because I don't think there is enough time left to do that. I can only hope that the efforts continue.
Another moral issue. |
You are so right! I am claustrophobic and the closet was dark.
Frankly, if Congress really had the will, I think there would be time to Impeach Cheney, I just think they are afraid to do so---afraid of some
political backlash.
Instead there is lots of outraged talk. It is like so many things have happened that trashes our Constitution and Rule of Law, that people are numb.
But, I never give up hope and a few members in Congress do not seem to be backing off.
Where is Sam Irwin when we need him!
Diane
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
Frankly, if Congress really had the will,
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The only will congress has now is the will of the campaign managers.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
Frankly, if Congress really had the will,
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The only will congress has now is the will of the campaign managers. |
 And it too is
in a large part economically driven----need public campaign financing.
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wornout
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
They come for a paycheck.
Employers issue them to save a buck...
Have we made the slightest effort to enforce the laws on the books prohibiting employment of illegals? |
The politicians know they should make an attempt to do just that, but, then they would be cutting off the hand that feeds them and you know neither
side in power would do that. And that, my fellow nomads, is really the root of the whole problem.
This Space Available, E-Mail Me If Interested.
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Hook
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Now that this political feel-good football has had the air let out of it, maybe we can get back to ENFORCING THE DAMN IMMIGRATION LAWS THAT ARE
ALREADY ON THE BOOKS !!!!!!!!
If ever there was an issue that highlights why campaigning should be publicly financed; it's this one. It's union money and big business money trying
their damndest to buy politicians. Problem is, for the first time in a long time, senators actually LISTENED to their constituents at home. I commend
some of those grass-roots organizations with this victory, however temporary it may be.
What a concept............government for the people.
Now, watch, the government will go back to looking the other way when it comes to the border.
[Edited on 6-28-2007 by Hook]
[Edited on 6-28-2007 by Hook]
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Hook
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How bout our good senators get to work now on repealing the law that grants children of illegal aliens, full citizenship status. It' not practical to
make it retroactive, but how about moving forward?
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
How bout our good senators get to work now on repealing the law that grants children of illegal aliens, full citizenship status. It' not practical to
make it retroactive, but how about moving forward? |
That would require an Amendment to our Constitution---unless Cheney can find another way around it. 
Besides, lots of countries grant citizenship to someone born within the country. One of our cousin's boys is a citizen of the US---via his
father---Columbia---via his mother---Spain--where he was born.
Think it would be a very bad idea to change the Consitution in this way.
Diane and John
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Do any of you "NOMADS" think you live in a free "SOCIETY"????? If you do, you have been on some sort of "Dumb Medication" to long..........The key
word here is....... EXECUTIVE PRVILIDGE........ Dick Cheeney and George Bush will do anything they dam$ well please...... peroid. C
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