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DENNIS
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Junior and DICK are now, finally, irrelevant. As it's turning out, they're the best thing that ever happened to the liberal cause.
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My cause is anything but liberal. Because of these two buttcracks, my cause is humanistic. Far and away from any party line.
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oldhippie
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Dennis, let me know when a humanist runs for President. It's largely a liberal/conservative decision, financial and social policy. Junior's legacy is
the conservative Supreme Court he's left behind.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Dennis, let me know when a humanist runs for President. It's largely a liberal/conservative decision, financial and social policy. Junior's legacy is
the conservative Supreme Court he's left behind. |
I'm glad to hear that..... about his legacy, I mean. Hopefully they will make studied decisions, conservative or otherwise.
I have never questioned my conservatism till Bush shambled my beliefs. His administration is a mutation, a cancer in the structure of our two party
system. It's a sponsered dictatorship.
I'm not one of the sponsers.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Dennis, let me know when a humanist runs for President. It's largely a liberal/conservative decision, financial and social policy. Junior's legacy is
the conservative Supreme Court he's left behind. |
I'm glad to hear that..... about his legacy, I mean. Hopefully they will make studied decisions, conservative or otherwise.
I have never questioned my conservatism till Bush shambled my beliefs. His administration is a mutation, a cancer in the structure of our two party
system. It's a sponsered dictatorship.
I'm not one of the sponsers. |
Dennis, you are a real conservative. We are on the liberal side, and lament the days when we could sincerely discusss, argue, and disagree with
conservatives.
We truly miss the old Rebublicans with whom we could disagree in a civil manner---we all were patriots, just ones with a different view. What we have
now, is way outside of the box.
Diane
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Now that this political feel-good football has had the air let out of it, maybe we can get back to ENFORCING THE DAMN IMMIGRATION LAWS THAT ARE
ALREADY ON THE BOOKS !!!!!!!! |
Ditto
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Alerte !!!!!-- Alerte....!!!!!..........We do not live any form of a free country here in the U.S.A. ...... Never was their ever been an honest
election that put George Bush and Dick Cheney in office and put them in a position to take advantage of every tax dollar. They did not win a fair
election.And they and their supporters find themselves where they are today. I am from Wyoming and know the past record of the Cheney clan. The
Cheney clan were near neighbors. They were always a clan of lazy slobs. They had absolutely no friends..... Always lived off ranching subsidies. With
this administrationn what we have is a type of public downtrodding and poltical power abuse and is just more evidence what this country has turned
into......Just look around at your next trip to Costco. So many older people that are so fat they can hardly walk. All they really want to do is just
consume some more, and more, more. Without even thinking of the consequences!!!!!! We need to take care of the things we love, no matter how small!!!!
Small birds,and flowers and what makes us all so attracted to the SEA OF CORTEZ and each time we see a beautiful pristine beach..... and the wild
"Pacific Ocean" we instintively know that is why we are their there. Just think about and focus on the panorama that is so fragile.Please treat it as
the the most delicate place you could ever want to be. It really is..... Just ask any scorpion. Or... shark. ++C++
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DENNIS
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Right-on, Crusoe.............Thanks
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Crusoe
We need to take care of the things we love, no matter how small!!!! Small birds,and flowers and what makes us all so attracted to the SEA OF CORTEZ
and each time we see a beautiful pristine beach..... and the wild "Pacific Ocean" we instintively know that is why we are their there. Just think
about and focus on the panorama that is so fragile.Please treat it as the the most delicate place you could ever want to be. It really is..... Just
ask any scorpion. Or... shark. ++C++ |
beautifully stated...I don't follow immigration laws, except that I know that Mexican immigrants, legal, illegal, resident, non-resident, are here to
stay in So. Cal. The notion of rounding everyone up and deporting, prosecuting, etc. is absurd.
Every once in a while, I run across this riddle and I thinks it fits this conumdrum: In Heaven and Hell, the spoons and forks are soooo long that no
one can feed themselves. It is impossible. In Hell, everyone is starving and miserable. In Heaven, everyone is nourished and happy. How come?
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Just what I thought. A lot of hot air from a bunch of looney tunes. All opinion and no facts.
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Calling a spade a spade
The thing that bothered me the most about the recent immigation debate was calling what was proposed "amnesty". Amnesty was never proposed.
amnesty - the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals.
pardon - the excusing of an offense without exacting a penalty.
I believe the penalty that was proposed for those here illegally was $5000 and years of more or less probationary legal status. Therefore, amnesty was
not proposed. A fine and probation are common penalities for criminal offenses.
There are 3 courses of action for those here illegally:
1. round them up and send them back,
2. put them in jail, or
3. let them stay.
The first two are not feasible. Letting the illegals here now stay is the only option, and imposing a penalty for past transgressions is a reasonable
thing to do.
But, the amnesty fear mongers won because the average American doesn't really understand the language he or she speaks.
[Edited on 6-29-2007 by oldhippie]
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TW........After you wake up from your "Dumb Medication Transe"........you may recall the ........FACT........ Our second in command while on a bird
hunting soray with an alcohol level over the legal driving limit shot his hunting partner in the face...... Please take care when you are in Baja of
all the little defenseless things. Please do not forget the ........Fact.........You are just a guest here, for a very short time. The environment
is way more important than you!!!!! Get yourself educated and.......Enjoy...... ++C++
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Crusoe
I sure owe you an apology---I really misread your one post. Now after reading your last two posts, I understand.
Maybe if I had not avoided all things political before, I would have know better who you are.
Diane
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DENNIS
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Oldorwellian...........
Semantics are no disguise for the absurd. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, you shouldn't be calling it a German Shepard.
George Orwell had the solution to your discomfort with the word, "Amnesty." Remember Newspeak? Get rid of the word and you get rid of the concept.
Get rid of the concept and it no longer exists.
So, there you are. Ban the word.
None the less.......a duck is still a duck and amnesty is amnesty. I do agree with you, however. There is no other viable solution. Lying to
ourselves and each other about what it is doesn't make the inevitable more palatable.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
The thing that bothered me the most about the recent immigation debate was calling what was proposed "amnesty". Amnesty was never proposed.
amnesty - the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals.
pardon - the excusing of an offense without exacting a penalty.
I believe the penalty that was proposed for those here illegally was $5000 and years of more or less probationary legal status. Therefore, amnesty was
not proposed. A fine and probation are common penalities for criminal offenses.
There are 3 courses of action for those here illegally:
1. round them up and send them back,
2. put them in jail, or
3. let them stay.
[Edited on 6-29-2007 by oldhippie] |
It was Amnesty.
Do you honestly believe the government would collect even $0.01 from the "new citizens". No, the gov would eventually forgive the fine, just like we
forgive "loans" to certain countries. They would claim the fine was forgiven because it would cause undo hardship on the hard working “new Americans”
still doing the work that “old Americans” will not do....
Yes we have 3 choices on what to do with the illegals that are here. Choice 3 is the best. But we also have to fine and jail employers who hire the
illegals who stay, or may come in the future.
Then the Illegals will have 3 choices:
1. Stay and have no money, because no one will hire them.
2. Return to their county of birth, and try to change it for the better.
3. Go to Canada to find work.
[Edited on 6-29-2007 by Taco de Baja]
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DENNIS
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It's hard to imagine that the stooopid fine would be forgiven. It would show a weakness on the part of our "take charge" government.
Nope. No forgiveness. They will pay for their sins. Period.
Although, our government will surely decide to ease the burden of punishment to making payments of, oh...lets say, thirty cents per month. We
wouldn't want to upset their remittances.
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I don't care what you guys say. It was not amnesty. And Taco, of your three options, number one is what the majority will do. Great, millions of
people with no money. That's a fine kettle of carnitas.
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It was amnesty
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Taco de Baja
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And Taco, of your three options, number one is what the majority will do. Great, millions of people with no money. That's a fine kettle of carnitas.
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Kind of like why they all stayed in their birth country, because no one would hire them and they had no money.....
People follow the money.
Heck, if I could get a job in Canada or Mexico paying me in an hour what I make in a day here, and there were no consequences...I'd consider it, and
ship as much $$ back home as I could, and tell all my friends “to come on down!”
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oldhippie
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Heck, if I could get a job in Canada or Mexico paying me in an hour what I make in a day here, and there were no consequences...I'd consider it, and
ship as much $$ back home as I could, and tell all my friends “to come on down!” |
I wish you success.
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Yakking Yuck
The Looney Tunes Lefties are destined to disappointment. Nobody is going to be impeached and it is tearing at their Liberal souls.
Wait. Scratch that. The dedicated Libs don't believe in the Soul. Anyway, their going to me miserable because Bush and/or Cheney aren't going to
join Wanker Willie in the Dock. Let them rattle, though, it is cathartic and they aren't affecting anything.
It should be mentioned, however, in this Debate over Good and Evil (Politicians, that is) that the same polls who show GWB approval in the low 30s
(Cheney 40s) among the American people also show Congress as a whole at an all-time low of 15 percent . Even more interesting is that they show the
Head Dems, King Harry and Nasty Nancy, below 20 percent approval. Based on what the American people think, I guess we should be pushing for the Dark
Duo to be thrown out of Congress.
Speaking of Saint Anne, she is honest about her approach to controversy. When Bill O'Reilly asked her if she didn't think that the Edwards comments
had backfired because he was raising a lot of money based on her attack, she said "No, because I'm making a lot more money off of it than he is".
Love that Gal.
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