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bajalou
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Lets See How it Works in Arizona
From the NY Times
Expressing frustration with the lack of a federal immigration law overhaul, Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona signed a bill yesterday providing what
are thought to be the toughest state sanctions in the country against employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.
Ms. Napolitano, a Democrat, called the bill flawed and suggested that the Arizona Legislature reconvene to repair problems with it, but she
nevertheless moved forward “because Congress has failed miserably,” she wrote in a statement.
The bill requires employers to verify the legal status of their employees. If they fail to do so, they risk having their business licenses suspended.
A second offense could result in the “business death penalty,” a permanent revocation of the state business license, effectively preventing a business
from operating in the state.
There's more at
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/03/us/03arizona.html?th&e...
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oldhippie
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Another thought after my gedankenexperiment where I just walked a mile in the other man's shoes.
If I were he and the US tried to forcefully make me leave, either by brute force or cutting off my livelihood and all of that threatened the welfare
of my family or some other thing of equal regard, well, being me, I'd fight back. Americans would really be hating me. I can't help it, it's just the
way I am and I'm proud of it.
Sooooooooooo, perhaps we're sitting on a tinderbox and should take to heart the words "all men are created equal" and show the basic level of respect
that all living things deserve. I guess, especially people.
This idea that all of that doesn't matter because someone broke a law in order to work is a red herring. I think what the non pathway to citizenship
folks think is something much more base.
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One problem with the Napolitano plan Lou....The ACLU. 
They will threaten to sue, the law will be repealed, and it'll be business as usual. 
Old hippie, I say again it is NOT our responsibility to support the poor people of the world.
If they choose a life of crime, rather than leaving, jail them in the AZ desert, al la Joe Arpaio (you get water, food, shade and pink boxer shorts,
and little else) then deport them.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
Gull, please explain what you would like to see happen to the 12 million people who are in the US illegally. |
We already have too many of them in jail, so that type of social engineering won't work.
Deport 10% of them this year and the rest will get the message.
It is interesting to hear the BS from people who do the estimating of 12 million. I think it is 11,342,968 and they aren't all from south of the
border.
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oldhippie
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OK, Taco is going to put 'em in jail if they get violent. And certainly millions won't get violent, maybe just a few hundred thousand or so.
Gull is going to deport 10% a year and the message to others will be go home quietly or take your chances that you may have another 9 years before
there's any problem.
Come on anti-immigration bill people, I want to hear it.
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oldhippie
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actually 10% a year would take care of 100% in 7.2 years, sorry for the common math error.
assuming no others came in
[Edited on 7-3-2007 by oldhippie]
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Mexitron
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
actually 10% a year would take care of 100% in 7.2 years, sorry for the common math error.
assuming no others came in
[Edited on 7-3-2007 by oldhippie] |
I think Gull was saying that by deporting 10 percent this year the rest would be scared into leaving as well(which isn't likely since you'd have
reduced the labor pool and probably creating higher wages).
anyway--isn't 10 percent a year kind of like Zeno's Paradox --how'd you get
to 7.2 years?
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Taco de Baja
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So what's your solution oldhippie?
Legalize the 12-20 million that are here (or were here as of Jan 1, 2007)? Ok, that quickly solves one problem with a name change......
Then what? Just say screw it and have no border? Make everyone citizens of the world, free to go wherever, whenever they want??? A giant free labor
market, if you will....I am sure there are Palestinians, Indians, Africans, Chinese, etc. who come here and will work at 1/4 or maybe 1/8 the wages
employers pay the current illegals. Think how cheap everything would be! 
Also, remember there is that poll from 2005 that found that 40% of Mexico would move to the USA, if they could Link. That's close to 40 Million, from just one country!
So what do we do ito curtail illegal immigration in the coming years, oldhippie?
I’m not talking LEGAL immigration, I’m referring to the ILLEGAL immigration.
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oldhippie
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Maybe I applied the rule of 72 incorrectly. If you have 8% growth every year you will double whatever your growing, usually money, in 72/8 or 9 years.
Inversely, if you're shrinking something by say 10%, it will disappear in 72/10 or 7.2 years. Zeno's paradox does apply, but we're talking finite
elements, people. I suppose eventually you would have just arms and legs lying around as you approached the finish line, which just before it would be
the last pubic hair.
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oldhippie
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I thought the Congress and President Bush came up with a reasonable stab at the solution for existing illegal aliens and the curtailment of future
illegal entry. Keep in mind it could have been amended and improved as time went on. But no, it didn't happen.
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oldhippie
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BTW, the rule of 72 is an approximation to a more complex equation. It works rather well in the 5 to 15% range.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
BTW, the rule of 72 is an approximation to a more complex equation. It works rather well in the 5 to 15% range. |
Why is it surprising to see a mis-application of math from advocates of amnesty for criminals? 1+1 = whatever proves your point. Reading is
fundamental - you should try it. I wrote that removing 10% of the criminals (illegally entered the US) would start the change needed. I did not say
to waste resources chasing 10% per year to infinity. Maybe the second year, we should incarcerate 10% of the employers and watch that event unfold.
The laws are already on the books for both.
With that kind of clear thinking, you must be a supporter of GWB commutation of Scooter's jail time. Scooter didn't even have to check in and fake
hysteria like Paris did.
Why did GWB get it right with this amnesty plan when he has gotten everything else wrong - according to the American experts on US politics and public
policy who are legal and illegal residents of Mexico who frequent this board?
Answer that one.
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oldhippie
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George got only one thing right of all the things he's done because he is stupid. When I went to school people who flunked out were at least half
right.
There I answered it, any more questions?
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
George got only one thing right of all the things he's done because he is stupid. When I went to school people who flunked out were at least half
right.
There I answered it, any more questions? |
None, everything is now self evident.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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oldhippie
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Glad to hear it. You're welcome.
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Jeezo...Are you guys done peeing all over each others shoes?
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oldhippie
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good thing you said peeing, the website wouldn't allow peeing (rhymes with hissing)
just a friendly debate between the left and the wrong, I'm having fun. 
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"Who's gonna build your wall"
By Tom Russell
I got 800 miles of bolted border
Right outside my door
There's minutemen in little pickup trucks
Who declared their own dang war
Now the government wants to build a barrier like ol' berlin, 8 feet tall
But if Uncle Sam sends the illegals home
Who's gonna build the wall
Who's gonna build your wall, boys
Who's gonna maw your lawn
Who's gonna cook your Mexican food
When your Mexican maid is gone
Who's gonna wax your floors tonight
Down at the local mall
Who's gonna wash your baby's face
Who's gonna build your wall
I ain't got no politics
So don't lay that rap on me
Left wing right wing up wing down
I see strip malls
It's the bad cat white developer
Who's created this whole damn squale
It's the pyramid scheme of dirty jobs
And who's gonna build your wall
Who's gonna build your wall, boys
Who's gonna maw your lawn
Who's gonna cook your Mexican food
When your Mexican maid is gone
Who's gonna wax your floors tonight
Down at the local mall
Who's gonna wash your baby's face
Who's gonna build your wall
We've got fundamentalist muslims
We've got fundamentalist jew
We've got fundamentalist Christian
That'll blow the whole thing up for you
But as I travel around this big ol' world
There's one thing that I most fear
It's a white man in a golf shirt
With a cell phone in his ear
Who's gonna build your wall, boys
Who's gonna maw your lawn
Who's gonna cook your Mexican food
When your Mexican maid is gone
Who's gonna wax your floors tonight
Down at the local mall
Who's gonna wash your baby's face
Who's gonna build your wall
The only requirement for love or chorizo is confidence.
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oldhippie
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what's the melody? a popular tune?
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Slowmad
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No to the melody.
But he's been puttin' out the goods for a long while.
The only requirement for love or chorizo is confidence.
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