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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by The Gull
| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
BTW, the rule of 72 is an approximation to a more complex equation. It works rather well in the 5 to 15% range. |
Why did GWB get it right with this amnesty plan when he has gotten everything else wrong - according to the American experts on US politics and public
policy who are legal and illegal residents of Mexico who frequent this board?
Answer that one. |
Beats me. maybe he was rebelling against his puppet master while he was away in an undisclosed location .
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
good thing you said peeing, the website wouldn't allow ******* (rhymes with hissing)
just a friendly debate between the left and the wrong, I'm having fun. 
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Dennis is being sensitive, that's why it looked awkward.
By the way, he meant kissing.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Slowmad
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Frequent Flyers
Did you know that there's a First Class Upgrade offered by many coyotes along La Linea?
A typical low budget service might be 500 dollars point-to-point.
But an acquaintence (and a damn good tree trimmer) paid 3000 dollars for something called "guaranteed."
That included a trip acrossed the line with three others in a U.S. Border Patrol vehicle.
Says it's available from T-town to Texas.
A patrolman can match his annual salary in a day.
Who's gonna build your wall?
The only requirement for love or chorizo is confidence.
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oldhippie
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$3000 ???
You can get genuine forged documents that will have the immigration guys wishing you nice day as you cross for much less.
Who's gonna build your wall?
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
good thing you said peeing, the website wouldn't allow ******* (rhymes with hissing)
just a friendly debate between the left and the wrong, I'm having fun.
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Yeah... I know Olddebator........
I thrive on contention here. Your interaction is good. Sometimes agreeable, sometimes so far to the left that I cant understand it.
I repect your qualified opinions. I can't respect your nonsense. And, if your reasons for being in Canada during the war had anything to do with
the war, [you said they didn't] I repell from you. I couldn't respect you enough to discuss anything here, or anywhere.
Your ideals are yours. Mine are mine.
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David K
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Sorry Hippie, but I was working today with my son and my LEGAL, card carrying amigo from Oaxaca...
See that's the point... LEGAL. We are not anti immigrant, we are anti criminal (what breaking the law is). The bill was an amnesty bill, allowing
criminals to stay here while all others are in line going through the process.
Why is it that (some) latino immigrants need a 'pass' on obeying our immigration laws, while all others (our ancestors, relatives) went through the
process... learned the language, and became Americans?
Why... well how about the real underlying reason... VOTES. Pandering to a voting group for the politicians' own greed, to stay in office or convert
America to a socialist country...
Have a Nice Day!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
We are not anti immigrant, we are anti criminal
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Thanks David. THAT should be a bumper sticker.
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I guess all you aholes with a contentious point, dragging along your convenient facts, are going to have to deal with grover. He seems to have a
handel on what is factual.
Go ahead.....Test him.
I honestly appreciate his interjections here and there which bring factual facts to the debate.
Thanks, Grover.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
| Quote: | | Originally posted by oldhippie...Who's gonna build your wall? |
Fence-building company
punished for hiring illegal immigrants
These guys are a little too busy in court to get to it.
"...Golden State, which is based in Riverside and has a branch in Oceanside, was ordered to forfeit $4.7 million to the U.S. government. That total
represents the amount of profit the government believed the company derived through its use of undocumented workers. Kay was ordered to pay a $200,000
fine, and McLaughlin must pay a $100,000 fine.
The company, Kay and McLaughlin pleaded guilty in December to knowingly hiring at least 10 illegal immigrants within a 12-month period.
"I would like to apologize for my company and my behavior," Kay said in a courtroom...
..."This case is not about the exploitation of employees," [defense attorney]Hirsch said..."  |
i have worked right along side this company for a few years. it's hard to fault the workers, but the owners should lose their license and spend a few
years in prison-after they lose their houses and bank accounts. they were actually raided TWICE and were found to have kept some illegal employees on
their payroll up until the end.
CULOS!
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David K
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It's probably hard to give up a good employee, because the federal government was unable or unwilling to secure our borders.
I do not think a business should be resonsible to do border enforcement... Business should be able to hire the best person for the job and assume all
people in America belong here. It is the federal government's job to keep America secure from invasion...
The real solution is for Mexico to become as prosperous as America is through free enterprise, end of corruption, drop ridiculous banking restrictions
on loaning money for business start ups, guarantee true property rights... etc.
THEN those poor people would not be compelled to risk their lives to come here to do any job they can get! Mexico IS a rich country... if it would
only free up the opportunity to all.
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now you're becoming an apologist. these guys at golden state were told after the first raid that there were "X" amount of illegals. they were told who
the guys were. they just went about it like business as usual. until the next raid where they were found to have snubbed their noses at the federal
gov't.
f'em! they should lose more than a few $.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The real solution is for Mexico to become as prosperous as America is through free enterprise, end of corruption, drop ridiculous banking restrictions
on loaning money for business start ups, guarantee true property rights... etc.
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Jeezo-- That is funny. I mean, Im laughing my culo off.
Where did you ever get this economic profile that gives blue-sky hope to any individuals in a system that is controled by one or two people? It's
slavery on an acceptible level. So refined.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by grover
Might need a Big Government to handle it.  |
How much bigger can it get?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
The real solution is for Mexico to become as prosperous as America is through free enterprise, end of corruption, drop ridiculous banking restrictions
on loaning money for business start ups, guarantee true property rights... etc.
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Jeezo-- That is funny. I mean, Im laughing my culo off.
Where did you ever get this economic profile that gives blue-sky hope to any individuals in a system that is controled by one or two people? It's
slavery on an acceptible level. So refined. |
Ask him about his "HELPERS"
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A few of you have missed my point. To those who are anti pathway to citizenship, I was asking the simple question "What are the alternatives?" The
question applies to only the people who are here now illegally.
So far the alternatives expressed are based upon an idea that the US Government pass some kind of law that will scare the illegals and they'll go back
voluntarily out of fear. In other words, no workable alternatives have been expressed, and there are no workable alternatives yet to be expressed.
So, it's my position that the people here now need to be legalized via some mechanism whether you like it or not. Why? Because, once more, there are
no alternatives.
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go after the employers, the jobs dry up (mostly) and they go home (mostly). how many millions are in prisons? send 'em back when they are released.
it's a start without the addition of a bigger magnet (old hippie's version).......
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
And, if your reasons for being in Canada during the war had anything to do with the war, [you said they didn't] I repell from you. I couldn't
respect you enough to discuss anything here, or anywhere.
Your ideals are yours. Mine are mine. |
I was a middle class white kid going to college when I was of draft age. Students like me didn't get drafted. I lived in Canada just across the border
for the same reasons I live in Mexico now, I had a nice inexpensive place on the beach close to my daily activities in the US.
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
A few of you have missed my point. To those who are anti pathway to citizenship, I was asking the simple question "What are the alternatives?" The
question applies to only the people who are here now illegally.
So far the alternatives expressed are based upon an idea that the US Government pass some kind of law that will scare the illegals and they'll go back
voluntarily out of fear. In other words, no workable alternatives have been expressed, and there are no workable alternatives yet to be expressed.
So, it's my position that the people here now need to be legalized via some mechanism whether you like it or not. Why? Because, once more, there are
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Here's a simple answer for a simple mind. Naturally, you disregard any alternative that does not fit your idea of what you want. Pompous attitude.
BTW, on your road to citizenship idea, how does the enforcement agent know someone has been in the US so that they get the chance to begin the road,
versus someone who just got to the US the week after? None of these criminals would ever think of faking their name and changing ID's, frequently.
Enforce the laws - deport criminals and prosecute employers. ...and try to remember to consider the illegal entry issue is NOT A MEXICAN-ONLY ISSUE!
[Edited on 7-4-2007 by The Gull]
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
And, if your reasons for being in Canada during the war had anything to do with the war, [you said they didn't] I repell from you. I couldn't
respect you enough to discuss anything here, or anywhere.
Your ideals are yours. Mine are mine. |
I was a middle class white kid going to college when I was of draft age. Students like me didn't get drafted. I lived in Canada just across the border
for the same reasons I live in Mexico now, I had a nice inexpensive place on the beach close to my daily activities in the US.
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A practiced answer, if there ever was one.
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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Maybe a practiced answer, but could still be true!
There was no draft during the beginning of the VietNam war.
Later there was a draft lottery that went by birthdays.
There were plenty of kids that volunteered to be cannon fodder.
There was no shortage of soldiers during that war.
--Amir
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