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Dannyrose
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Fireworks
Asked this once before and received some passionate responses from some that may have misunderstood. I picked up a box of 3, 4 & 5 stage mortar
fireworks from an Indian Reservation in Southern Utah. They're not legal to set off in Las vegas. These are semi professional displays. No annoying
bangs or ones that sputter out like you get in baja. Nor are they the mild "safe and sane" kits bought at the corner kiosk. these are large beautifull
multi colored explosions close to a show at a local park. they're sure to draw attention. My questions is will they be confiscated by the local cops
or worse? People shoot off the cheap ones bought in the local rosarito stores all the time on the beach with no problems. Am I asking for trouble if I
bring these high end ones down?
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tehag
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fireworks
Ask somebody with a thatched roof what they think.
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Dannyrose
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tehag
Ask somebody with a thatched roof what they think. |
Not too many thatched roofs two blocks from Party Central in downtown Rosarito. I would think they'd be a lot more worried about the locals burning
big piles of palm leaves next door to my condo
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If these are on a par with professional fireworks be safe and sane. Send up some small rockets with small bursts out over the water on the same
trajectory to see how the wind is blowing. It is not always the same as close to the ground. If there is any question as to blow back over land then
don't do it.
Don't put the mortars above ground on their little stands. Bury them at least 3/4 into the sand and at an angle out over the water. these things
occasionally flowerpot ( blow in the tube ) and you don't want that to happen above ground.
make a safe box to keep the ready to load shells in. Any relatively fireproof box with a cover. Assign someone to be the safe box person. never keep
the lid open while a shell is in the tube or being transported to the tube or just been fired. They open the box and hand you shells while you go
back and forth.
never put any part of your body over the tube.
if it duds in the mortar DO NOT go over and look in the tube after you think it's safe. I have seen alleged duds go off without any notice up to 30
min later. Wait an hour or two and douse the tube with water.
If you need extra tubes DO NOT make them with PVC and end caps. PVC will shatter and send shrapnel hundreds of feet way if the shell flowerpots.
Only use ABS pipe it will shred harmlessly.
use a long lighter or punk to light the fuse. never cup your hand around the fuse with a match to light the fuse. Some defective Chinese fuse will go
super fast and scare the crap out of you.
My wife and i were licensed pyrotechnicians for the grucci fireworks family in the early 90's. We manufactured from scratch and set off many great
safe shows. I still have all my fingers. Don't cut corners. if you find yourself thinking about shortcuts or ignoring any of the above, alarm bells
should go off in your head.
oh and it should go without saying that drinking and shooting serious fireworks do not go together.
disclaimer, if Mr Bill is around ignore all the above, point directly at him and fire away repeatedly.........LOL
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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In Mexico, fireworks (cohetes) are regulated at the municipality level. Rosarito, for instance, has regulations for the size and amount and hours when
they can be set off. Whether they enforce the laws is hit and miss. The Mexicans know about July 4th and are hard-up for tourist dollars, so I'd
expect the local police won't do anything unless somebody calls them.
If those are those fireworks that are launched from mortar tubes, they are illegal. You should be more worried about a military checkpoint. They are
basically explosives and those soldiers will ruin the rest of your life if they see them.
By the way, it is also illegal to even drive across the border into California from Nevada with them, if you don't have a license for them.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dannyrose
Asked this once before and received some passionate responses from some that may have misunderstood. |
What was misunderstood in your first question?
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you only live once (so they say!) so go ahead and look both ways and let 'em rip. just be smart about it....
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I have never had mortar based fireworks confiscated from me. In fact when the soldiers at a check point near San ignacio saw them they asked if we
could shoot one and we did. I left them a cardboard tube and 5 shells for their enjoyment.
I suppose if you showed up with a 6 inch shell they might have something to say about it but the 1.5 to 2 inch shells of typical consumer fireworks
are no big deal.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
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Don't listen to Bajabus
Based on your judgement so far...
Hold one six inch in each hand, twist their fuses together , light them and wait until the fuses are almost done and then reach back real far and
throw them. Repeat, if still alive.
The smaller ones can go in the tailpipe of your car. Real special effects.
You have no stones, if you don't do as I suggest.
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Based on my judgments so far.......????
Gull WTH are you talking about?
Besides most anything over 4 " is set off with an electric match. In the old days we used black match but even that was iffy on a 6".
In most jurisdictions the local fire marshal will not allow hand firing and reloading...it's all electric now.
You don't know what you are talking about dude so please just stick to your usual wing-nut political theories
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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Thanks Bus: Good Information.
Many times I would bring M-80's from Baja for use in Fresno Calif. Could not get them in Calif. Also could get 1/4 sticks of Dynamite. Sure did shake
up the Block on July 4th.!!!
Hope all is well with your Politics.
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Skeet, great to see you on the board.
I personally love flash bangs but they are not for everyone.
In the old days we used to mix up the comp with potassium chlorate as the oxidizer. very sensitive to friction. Now pretty much everyone except the
older hard core guys use potassium perchlorate. A little less bang for the same volume but safer.
We did the mixing with wet clothes and bare feet to minimize static. flash powder is very dangerous stuff.
it's the stuff you see in the typical end of show chest thumping bangs.
usually 3 - 4 inch cannister shells with about 200 to 300 grams of comp
M-80's have about 50 grams at most.
At PGI conventions you can see and hear massive 6 inch salutes that will rattle windows and set off car alarms for a mile or so.
If you have never been to one you should go to a PGI convention. It's members only but on the last day they put on a public display that you will
never forget or see anywhere else. Grand masters from around the world come to compete with shells that they sometimes spend months making from
scratch. It is an awesome spectacle
My politics are going great, thanks for asking. stay safe and don't discount running around nekid. I miss your nekid hippie rants.
Before you go vote, open the bible and read the Beatitudes. Both the Matthews and Luke versions.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
Dwight David Eisenhower
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
In Mexico, fireworks (cohetes) are regulated at the municipality level. Rosarito, for instance, has regulations for the size and amount and hours when
they can be set off. Whether they enforce the laws is hit and miss. The Mexicans know about July 4th and are hard-up for tourist dollars, so I'd
expect the local police won't do anything unless somebody calls them.
If those are those fireworks that are launched from mortar tubes, they are illegal. You should be more worried about a military checkpoint. They are
basically explosives and those soldiers will ruin the rest of your life if they see them.
By the way, it is also illegal to even drive across the border into California from Nevada with them, if you don't have a license for them.
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I live in Rosarito and the huge size of the fireworks can make it feel like a war zone at times. All third world countries celebrate with foreworks.
There are signs posted at every entrance to the beach that prohibit fireworks and the introduction of any contaminants and foreign objects to the
sand. The signs are in Spanish and English and include the fines for doing so.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fulano
By the way, it is also illegal to even drive across the border into California from Nevada with them, if you don't have a license for them.
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Thats the first part of your problem.
If you do get them into Mexico then you have to worry about their laws.
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dannyrose
My questions is will they be confiscated by the local cops or worse? |
Yes, they very well could be. Everyone loves fireworks... even cops. This would give them a great reason to get some money and fireworks out of a
drunk gringo. If you get a a-hole federal cop(the beach is federal land) it could get worse.
Who is to say that your tube is not a "gun" and the mortar is not "ammo"?
This guy?
| Quote: | Originally posted by Dannyrose
People shoot off the cheap ones bought in the local rosarito stores all the time on the beach with no problems. Am I
asking for trouble if I bring these high end ones down? |
The law is very negotiable in Mexico. How much money do you have and how well do you negotiate?
Do you feel lucky? Well do you?
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All the above said. I agree with Woooosh, Mexican holidays and parties often sound like war zones... with large projectile (m-1000) type rockets
going off all over the place.
Either way.. I'd rather sit back and enjoy the atmosphere and party than to spend my time negotiating with or worrying about the man.
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Bus: Thanks for all the Info. I had never got into how those things were made, but have sure enjoyed Fireworks for years. Here in the Panhandle there
is a Great Show that i can observe from my Home to the Discovery Center which is at least 11 miles distance.
Glad to hear that you are engaged in changing the world. I have read the Bible complete on several occasions starting when i was about 12 years old. I
like both old and New. Also just finished the Koran, a very interesting Bible??? Read the Book of Mormon when I was in College in 1954.
Don't take my Rants too seriously, I have always been known as a Pot Stirer.
It is interesting how "Weak-Minded' People are led down a Path by someone who thinks he knows "The Bible Says This"!!!!. I always figured the Good
Lord gave me a Mind to make my own Decesions and Interpatations of the Acts of People not their Words.
Hope all goes well for you and yourins on the 4th of July
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Skeet, do you remember torpedo's? they were sold just about anywhere and came about 10 in a box as I recall. they looked kinda like small cigars and
you put them on the ground and stomped on them for a nice impressive bang.
They were finally outlawed because they were made with potassium chlorate and Sulfur. In the industry now that is known as a death mix. We never use
sulfur ( fuel ) with potassium chlorate ( oxidizer ). It makes for an incredibly sensitive comp.
Store fronts and trucks used to blow up regularly as clerks slid and dropped the boxes while loading or unloading
strike anywhere match heads used to be made the same way.
Bible is a good book. I just don't take it literally like some do.
Never read the Koran...I should.
Stay safe sir and another 100 years to you.
"Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked of such a thing."
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Thanks for the Info. Yes I recall the Torpedo's and also recall a small Cigar Shaped that would after being Lit would chase you around the Street We
called them---------Chasers. Most of my people do not use the Racist word that was used many years ago.
Just made reservations for a 4 day Trip to Nootka Sound British Columbia for some Kings. Will let my Cousin Hookem Up.
Skeet
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Bus, were those cracker-balls made the same way?
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Not sure but i would guess it's a silver nitrate compound. Very friction sensitive also. Made by bubbling acetylene into a saturated silver nitrate
solution and then collecting the resultant crystals. when wet it's safe to handle. tri-iodine is similar stuff. Supposedly so sensitive when dry a
fly landing on it will set it off. Nice flypaper eh?
Both are popular high school chemistry taboo experiments.
I never messed with either but there is a lot of literature on it out there
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