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woody with a view
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Cypress
woody in ob, My apologies. The latest photos paint a sinister picture. |
no need to apologize to me....glad i don't know anyone who maybe doesn't even know there stuff is GONE...it really sucks that folks can't work
together.
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Bajajack
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It's a real shame to see something
like this happen for sure and also a wake up call. Baja and it's people have changed.
Things like this show the real mexican attitude regarding Americans.
When they need us we're loved, when they don't or something better comes along it's Adios Gringo.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Bob and Susan
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this is NOT true...
the owner notifed the RENTERS in NOVEMBER 2007
the renters chose not to move out...
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
this is NOT true...
the owner notifed the RENTERS in NOVEMBER 2007
the renters chose not to move out... |
Thank you Bob and Susan. I was wondering why the extreme action. So the owner took action 9 months after he notified the renters.
Before everybody jumps all over "the Mexicans" could somebody tell us whether or not the new owners are Mexican?
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Cypress
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Bob and Susan, Thanks for the story behind the misc. BS.
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Bajajack
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So I guess one could assume
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
this is NOT true...
the owner notifed the RENTERS in NOVEMBER 2007
the renters chose not to move out... |
rather than to pursue legal means to evict them it's just easier to
burn em out!
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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ELINVESTIG8R
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This reminds me of the 1974 attack on the Mormon colony south west of Colonia Vicente Guerrero located next to the salt flat. Two truck loads of Ervil
LeBaron’s cult members firebombed every building, killed two people and seriously injured dozens. Was this one of those religious groups or is it just
a landlord tenant dispute?
This is where the PGR needs to come in and conduct an investigation.
[Edited on 8-15-2008 by ELINVESTI8]
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Cypress
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Bajajack, Good point !
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tripledigitken
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Has anyone had contact with any of the renters?
Is it fair to assume that no one was injured?
Being summer I would imagine not a high percentage of the renters would even be there. But no one there seems strange.
Ken
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Sharksbaja
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Thanks Bob. The drone gets unbearable sometimes.
I highly doubt "nationals" would leave themselves that vunerable nor would they have ignored the warning or heads-up.
Most of what was lost was probably just disposable U.S. stuff or junk. Why else then would they leave it so unprotected and at risk.
A very hard lesson indeed.
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
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Sharksbaja
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Oh, and how in the world would an American or whoever become a bonafide "squatter" in the first place? Would you not have to be a citizen and/or ??
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
Viva Mulege!
Nomads\' Sunsets
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
this is NOT true...
the owner notifed the RENTERS in NOVEMBER 2007
the renters chose not to move out... |
rather than to pursue legal means to evict them it's just easier to
burn em out! |
If YOU own land and previous renters left their property behind and are not available to remove the property there is nothing illegal about burning
down the remaining items on YOUR property. This happens in the USA or anywhere all the time. In most cases where month to month tenancy is the rule 30
days notice is all that is required and only by posting a note on the door of the premises.
This is hardly a racist issue, nor abuse as far as we can see from the info we have of which seems accurate by all verifiable accounts.
It is a little bit presumptuous to assume there is something wrong here without evidence. The fires appears to be consistent and valid attempt to
clear the property for valid use. I am so sorry to come to this conclusion for the people who lost their property but I am more offended by posts
which assume something illegal occurred where no evidence exists.
As an analogy, what would happen if you didn't pay your Public Storage bill or failed to move when requested to do so? You would be out of luck and
possibly guilty of failure to pay the final clean up costs which could be pursued in court as a unpaid bill forever to mark your credit history.
I believe you will see this often as long as people leave their stuff behind.
[Edited on 8-15-2008 by gnukid]
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Cypress
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Sharksbaja,  Very thankful that I didn't buy/lease/squat anything down in
Baja. It's hard to tell the difference between the three.  Let me see? If the hiers/owners/neighbors decide it's time for you to go? Is it bye-bye
time? You've got papers on your property.
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tsgarcia69
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Thanks Bob. The drone gets unbearable sometimes.
I highly doubt "nationals" would leave themselves that vunerable nor would they have ignored the warning or heads-up.
Most of what was lost was probably just disposable U.S. stuff or junk. Why else then would they leave it so unprotected and at risk.
A very hard lesson indeed. |
So, it only took you a few hours to rationalize that it is OK to destroy other peoples' property? What would happen to the landowner if the property
was in the US?
Do you want to propose any possible US scenarios?
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Bajajack
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Gnukid
I find it hard to believe the people there would just up and leave their personal belongings behind, that assumption just don't float.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
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tripledigitken
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
I find it hard to believe the people there would just up and leave their personal belongings behind, that assumption just don't float.
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It does "float" from the standpoint that many Gringos live part time in the Mulege area and now is not high season. Many pack up and leave in April
and May not to return until October. 2nd car, boats and toys are often left behind.
From the looks of the photos a lot of the dwellings were old trailers that aren't worth the effort to move either. Many 2nd cars in Baja are beaters
with no current US registration also. I bet many are just now finding this out and are stateside.
Ken
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajajack
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
this is NOT true...
the owner notifed the RENTERS in NOVEMBER 2007
the renters chose not to move out... |
rather than to pursue legal means to evict them it's just easier to
burn em out! |
If YOU own land and previous renters left their property behind and are not available to remove the property there is nothing illegal about burning
down the remaining items on YOUR property. This happens in the USA or anywhere all the time. In most cases where month to month tenancy is the rule 30
days notice is all that is required and only by posting a note on the door of the premises.
This is hardly a racist issue, nor abuse as far as we can see from the info we have of which seems accurate by all verifiable accounts.
It is a little bit presumptuous to assume there is something wrong here without evidence. The fires appears to be consistent and valid attempt to
clear the property for valid use. I am so sorry to come to this conclusion for the people who lost their property but I am more offended by posts
which assume something illegal occurred where no evidence exists.
As an analogy, what would happen if you didn't pay your Public Storage bill or failed to move when requested to do so? You would be out of luck and
possibly guilty of failure to pay the final clean up costs which could be pursued in court as a unpaid bill forever to mark your credit history.
I believe you will see this often as long as people leave their stuff behind.
[Edited on 8-15-2008 by gnukid] |
once again you are correct. this is the same thing that happened on Sataspac except they used a bull Dozer instead of the torch. it seems the Gringos
were given 6 months to clear out and he gave the 3 more witch is legal and fair.
Bruce R Leech
Ensenada
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Cypress
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tripledigitken, I see. If you're only able to live in Baja for a couple months out of the year and drive old beaters, it's OK for someone to burn you
out? Jeez, Lucky me! Had to drive my ole beater back to the states and didn't leave anything behind to be burned, took my memories with me.
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vandenberg
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once again you are correct. this is the same thing that happened on Sataspac except they used a bull Dozer instead of the torch. it seems the Gringos
were given 6 months to clear out and he gave the 3 more witch is legal and fair. |
Aha, the old Bruce is back.
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roundtuit
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Bulldozer Never even seen a backhoe. Just a bunch of locals salvaging what the Gringos didn't take with them. In fact some of the materials the
locals bought with cash from the gringos
Never learned from a book-Only from mistakes, mine and yours
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