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astrobaja
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recommendations for a firearm (ranch-use)
Hi all,
Since we are so remote and a visit from a vet is hours away at best we have come to the conclusion that we need some sort of firearm just in case
anything ever happens to one of our horses.
We have had the military do a few tours past our property on thier ways towards Mike Sky Ranch and talked to the Commandante. His feeling was that
for a ranch owner we should have a rifle of some kind, and that the military make exceptions for ranch owners.
I was told by people working in the park that one can apply to get a firearm through the military, they routinely sell off arms that they have
confiscated.
I don't want anything that has a huge kick and also want a readily available calibre, so is someything like a .303 sufficient? Any thoughts on this?
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A .303 is more than sufficent, a 22 short or long in the brain will do the job.
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astrobaja
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really? I did'nt think a 22 would be enough for a large animal...
Its not very pleasent to think about especially having just lost our dog, but
we don't want to be left helpless in case of a twisted bowel colic, they are very painful to a horse.
We never had a gun in Canada on our farm, I'm not a fan of them at all, but in a worst case scenario I would use one. Also we may some day get some
unsavory types passing through.
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Cypress
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astobaja, A 22 will put down anything you've got on your farm.
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really? I did'nt think a 22 would be enough for a large animal...
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At the slaughter yard in Ensenada, they use a 22 for cows, bulls and pigs.
As long as you're going to have a weapon, you may as well have a high caliber. Never know when you may need to be convincing. Up where you are, a
shotgun would come in handy as well.
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It could take a number of 22 shots but by then they aren't going anywhere.
I would get something with a little more "reach-out-and-touch-them" power and range for self protection and maybe shotgun for closer range.
You can get an old Russian or Chinese AK for about $250 that will definitely do the job.
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Cypress
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Diver? Jeez! Did I miss something here?  Astro was talking about putting
down a pet, not going to war with someone.
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Diver
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Well actually, I really like my Mauser 8mm and Mauser 7x57.
Talk about reach-out -and-touch-someone !!
And then there's the wife's Winchester Defender shotgun and a few more toys.
I hope I never have to use them for anything but game and targets.
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...we don't want to be left helpless in case of a twisted bowel colic, they are very painful to a horse.
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Because you are so far away from a vet in case of colic, I'm sure you probably have some Bute, Psyllium and Banamine paste on hand. I hope you never
have to go the other route.
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astrobaja
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Hi Paulina,
Yep we have a good supply of all the horsey stuff, but they won't touch the pain of a twisted bowel colic. Plus if one of them ever breaks a leg.
Plus if we ever get insistent trespassers the sight of a gun may persude them to leave.
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You should consider ammo availability also. A 22 long rifle or hollow point round will take care of anything around the ranch and also would be
adequate for small game and varmits (coyotes etc). It would be relatively cheap and available in Baja...dt
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Shotgun,,12 guage with solid slugs...That will put anything down and the shotgun with bird shot will take care of most varmints..
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Bajajack
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If it's legal
take whatever you can get and be glad ya got it.
\"take what you can, give nothing back!\"
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the
American people.\'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
We can have no \"50-50\" allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
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Astro,
From what you're saying, I assume you don't hunt. That's your prerogative, but you may want to consider some scenarios other than just putting down
one of your own animals. Such as; protecting them if threatened or attacked by a cougar, coyotes or a pack of wild dogs. There may also be a need to
dispatch a rabid animal without getting too close. For this you need a good rifle, with or without a scope. If the army says it's ok, go for it. A
.303 is certainly adequate for any critter in Baja including the two-legged variety. It does have a little kick but not as much as a 30.06. I'm
surprised about the army selling surplus weapons to civilians. You might pick up a bargain. The problem then becomes obtaining ammo for it. Can you
get it from the army? Even if so, do you really want full-jacketed bullets for animals?* You will not find this caliber available from civilian
sources. Again I'm very surprised. Mexican citizens who belong to authorized hunting clubs are allowed to own a variety of weapons, but usually are
prohibited from owning any caliber that has ever been used by the military of any nation. (even if no longer in use, eliminating my favorite deer
rifle- a 1918 Swedish Mauser in 6.5 MM) Therefore, most hunt club members in Mexico who hunt deer or other large game go for a .243 or a .270,
strictly civilian calibers and ammo available thru authorized channels. The .243 is a sweet shooter, very little recoil, and adequate for anything up
to White Tails. The .270 has a little more punch for Mule Deer but it's mostly a matter of personal choice. A light shotgun, even a .410, is good
for rattlers. (back in NC, when I was mowing high weeds etc., I preferred to keep a .38 revolver loaded with "rat shot" in my hip pocket) I wouldn't
take the AK suggestion too seriously Actually, I have a Russian made SKS,
tricked out with folding stock, and a knockoff Norinco MAK 90, both with "cuerno de chivo" banana clips. But I'm not loco enough to take either one
to Mexico!
*Military ammo is "full jacketed", the lead bullet entirely encased in copper or other hard metal and designed to go all the way thru a human being.
The theory behind this is that it is preferable to wound rather than kill, because the wounded enemy then becomes a burden on resources, requiring
other personnel to rescue and care for him. Hunting ammo is either all lead or partially jacketed with hollow point and designed to spread on
penetration, produce immediate hydroshock and kill as quickly as possible.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Check this out:
http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aast1022magnum.htm
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A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
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Oso
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Sweet! I want one. BTW Astro, any kind of .22 is useful around a ranch and especially if you're not used to shooting a lot, it's the cheapest ammo
for practice, "plinking" at tin cans etc.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Well actually, I really like my Mauser 8mm and Mauser 7x57.
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are prohibited from owning any caliber that has ever been used by the military of any nation.
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I thought the rule was no caliber that has ever been used by the Mexican Military. I do know 7mm Mauser is not allowed.
A 12 Guage shotgun with slugs, buckshot, and bird shot WILL handle any problem in North and South America that is less than 80 meters away.
Id ask Old El Commandante to lone me one of them G-3's the Soldados are carrying.
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Hook
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I imagine this post is creeping out the yellow butterfly folks , BIGTIME !!!!!!!
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Oso
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SFW?
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Hook
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Not passing judgement, just an observation, Oso.
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