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Cypress
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Baja isn't a bargain by any stretch of the imagination. Factor in all the misc.
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Osprey
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Cypress, sorry pal, you are wrong again. I just bought a new misc. in Los Barriles for 3 pesos. It's just like one I bought in Malibu recently for
$122.86.
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Stickers
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| Quote: | Originally posted by morgaine7
One of the many positive aspects of my quality of life here is freedom from the "culture of fear" that has become so prevalent in the US ... and from
people telling me how to live. Funny, I don't rely on "published facts" to determine whether or not I'm enjoying myself.
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You are right Kate and I think simple freedoms are worth more than cheap groceries.
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Cypress
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Osprey, Congrats! Go for it!
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dtbushpilot
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We live in Buena Vista BCS about 6 months of the year a month or so at a time. Generally speaking, I find that it is a little more expensive there
than at home in New Mexigo for groceries, eating out etc. If you eat at the places where the locals eat it is a little less, if you want "gringo
stuff" it's a little more. We also find ourselves traveling farther and on worse roads for "serious shopping" than we would up North. I don't have as
much confidence in the local medical services as I would in the US but I haven't had any expierience with it either. I have heard a lot of good things
about the local clinic. My Mother did use the clinic in Loreto for an alergic reaction and was very impressed. I'm sure I will find out for myself
sooner or later. If you compare accomodations (Baja Cactus aside) motels in the US are usually nicer for what you pay, I didn't say always I said
usually.
We love Baja and always start planning our next trip down before we even get home but if I could only live in one place it would certainly be in the
USA.........I'm a lucky guy, I get to have both......
Someone once told me "I'm a lucky guy, and the harder I work the luckier I get"...he was right....dt
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Shark18
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Actually, I think we live for much less than 15% compared to SoCal, but I would really to have to spend some time to prove it. I'm just happy here
with a better quality of life to boot! |
OK, this shows just how far removed from the reality you guys are. I am sitting here with this week's Stater Bros. and Orchards ads for San Diego
county. Let me show you how far from the reality you are:
eggs - $1.89/dozen for extra large
hamburger - $2.29/lb
milk - $2.60/gal
bread - $1.67/loaf Oroweat
bacon - $2.50/lb
lettuce - $.79 head (Orchards)
So, the total cost would be $1.61 -- or 12% -- less than your Costco cost. Anybody in San Diego can look up the ads and verify my
numbers.
Let me add something more to the equation. Almost all the non-food items it takes to run a household in Mexico costs more: light bulbs, toilet
flappers, laundry soap, etc. And, then you get to add the 15% IVA tax on top of that. There is even a 15% IVA tax on services in Mexico, not NOB. The
IVA in California is only one-half of Mexico's.
Oh, and by the way NOB, the water is always on, as in the power and telephone and internet. The mail is delivered right to your door, you don't have
to pay a monthly fee for a mail service. You also don't pay the annual fee to renew your FM3/2 or the fideicomiso fees, if you own a home. Yes, water
and power are cheaper in Mexico, when it is turned on.
Enjoy your "quality of life."
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BajaGringo
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We do...
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Shark18
| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
Actually, I think we live for much less than 15% compared to SoCal, but I would really to have to spend some time to prove it. I'm just happy here
with a better quality of life to boot! |
OK, this shows just how far removed from the reality you guys are. I am sitting here with this week's Stater Bros. and Orchards ads for San Diego
county. Let me show you how far from the reality you are:
eggs - $1.89/dozen for extra large
hamburger - $2.29/lb
milk - $2.60/gal
bread - $1.67/loaf Oroweat
bacon - $2.50/lb
lettuce - $.79 head (Orchards)
So, the total cost would be $1.61 -- or 12% -- less than your Costco cost. Anybody in San Diego can look up the ads and verify my
numbers.
Let me add something more to the equation. Almost all the non-food items it takes to run a household in Mexico costs more: light bulbs, toilet
flappers, laundry soap, etc. And, then you get to add the 15% IVA tax on top of that. There is even a 15% IVA tax on services in Mexico, not NOB. The
IVA in California is only one-half of Mexico's.
Oh, and by the way NOB, the water is always on, as in the power and telephone and internet. The mail is delivered right to your door, you don't have
to pay a monthly fee for a mail service. You also don't pay the annual fee to renew your FM3/2 or the fideicomiso fees, if you own a home. Yes, water
and power are cheaper in Mexico, when it is turned on.
Enjoy your "quality of life." |
Shark,
While I agree with a number of things that you say, I sure don't care for the way you say it. Almost makes me feel guilty for agreeing.
I guess you won't be my neighbor either and yes, we do enjoy our quality of life...in both places, thank you....dt
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tripledigitken
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Sharks,
This thread is about the effect of US economics on Nomads. Awhile back you said you have been retired 10 years, impressive given you DOB in your
profile of 1959, how has the current ecomomic climate effected you?
As a fellow resident of SD County I will say that the gas prices have put a dent in our budget. Each week I notice another company closing its doors,
fortunatly not our employers!
Ken
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elizabeth
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Location: Loreto, BCS
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| Quote: |
Oh, and by the way NOB, the water is always on, as in the power and telephone and internet. The mail is delivered right to your door, you don't
have to pay a monthly fee for a mail service. You also don't pay the annual fee to renew your FM3/2 or the fideicomiso fees, if you own a home. Yes,
water and power are cheaper in Mexico, when it is turned on.
Enjoy your "quality of life." |
I will, thank you.
But, a little clarification...I don't get mail delivered to my door in the US...they don't do that in a lot of smaller towns...I have a post office
box. The power is on most all the time, however, it goes off from time to time, once for 11 days. The phone lines normally work, but sometimes when
there is a lot of rain, they don't. The annual fideicomiso fee and property taxes are infintesimal compared to my US property tax. I don't really
mind my electricity going off, I plug in the generator if it's a long time, or do without if it's a short time. I rather enjoy having to go to town
to pick up my mail and run into friends and neighbors.
I guess one the reasons I feel my quality of life is better in Mexico, and why I'm working as hard as I can to make it full time, is that the small
stuff, like always having electricity and mail delivery is not essential to my well being.
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fishbuck
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Comparing "Quality of Life" in Baja And SoCal is apples and oranges. They are completely different. But that is the point is it not?
I live in Costa Mesa about a mile from the Newport Pier. I couldn't imagine a better place to live anywhere in the world.
But I also love my little fishcamp in San Quintin.
It's Costa Mesa/Newport 100 years ago. I love it there for it's primitive beauty. But it's an 11 mile drive to the grocery store.
In Costa Mesa I walk about 100 yards to the grocery store. If I want a steak I walk next door to the Outback.
If I want a steak in Baja... there isn't one!
I have a great job in SoCal that pays good money. In Baja... there isn't one.
In baja I have a waterfront fishcamp someday to be a casita and my own private boat launch and runway. The richest guy in SoCal doesn't have that!
Manzanas y Naranjas!
[Edited on 10-1-2008 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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msteve1014
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My wife and I are still working full time. No slowdown yet. I worry that there might be one coming, but it is too late to stop now. Maybe we will have
to move to Baja and wait it out.
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elizabeth
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Location: Loreto, BCS
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The biggest effect on me is the difficulty in selling my house, which is the only thing I have to do to get to Loreto full time. Even folks who have
shown serious interest have become skittish in the last couple of weeks.
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fishbuck
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| Quote: | Originally posted by msteve1014
My wife and I are still working full time. No slowdown yet. I worry that there might be one coming, but it is too late to stop now. Maybe we will have
to move to Baja and wait it out. |
Ya, I kind of hoping for a layoff too. I'll collect unemployment for a while and start my casita.
But I'm in the warplane business and business is good right now. We just sold a couple of plane to NATO today.
"Give war a chance" as we say at the good ole warplane factory.
But I'll take a little layoff/vacation if it comes!
[Edited on 10-2-2008 by fishbuck]
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Shark18
OK, this shows just how far removed from the reality you guys are. I am sitting here with this week's Stater Bros. and Orchards ads for San Diego
county. Let me show you how far from the reality you are:
So, the total cost would be $1.61 -- or 12% -- less than your Costco cost. Anybody in San Diego can look up the ads and verify my
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Ah, so you want to shop specials. We have specials here too and we take advantage of them. I only went to Costco today, to compare their regular
prices. What are the regular prices of those items at your stores?
YOU might want to contact the Baja Insider and tell them their article sucks with incorrect information for SD because YOU are the expert.
Now let's see how much gas did you have to use to drive around and get all those specials? And how much is gas in SD right now? Oh, the gas here is
around 2.50/gal (87 octane) So us guys do know what we're talking about.
| Quote: | | Let me add something more to the equation. Almost all the non-food items it takes to run a household in Mexico costs more: light bulbs, toilet
flappers, laundry soap, etc. And, then you get to add the 15% IVA tax on top of that. There is even a 15% IVA tax on services in Mexico, not NOB. The
IVA in California is only one-half of Mexico's. |
Well you certainly have proven YOU know what you're talking about.......the IVA taxes in Baja are 10%. Most of the prices you say are higher on
things, INCLUDE the 10% tax. Take your SD prices and add 8.5% (or whatever it is) sales tax and then compare prices. Some things are higher some are
lower.
| Quote: | | Oh, and by the way NOB, the water is always on, as in the power and telephone and internet. The mail is delivered right to your door, you don't have
to pay a monthly fee for a mail service. You also don't pay the annual fee to renew your FM3/2 or the fideicomiso fees, if you own a home. Yes, water
and power are cheaper in Mexico, when it is turned on. |
I've never had a problem with my utilities here. But of course, YOU wouldn't know that because YOU don't live here. YOU are the expert on living in
Baja and YOU don't even live here.
| Quote: | | Enjoy your "quality of life." |
Yes, I do and it's even better without someone like YOU, the expert on Baja living here.
By the way, where are those links to your cancer statistics you promised? Yeah, I thought so, a "ball busting" troll.
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comitan
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What OXXO said a thousand times more.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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BajaGringo
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ditto
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Shark18
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Oxxo:
A half-dozen other Nomads -- Nomads with mucho stars under their names -- have said right here on this thread that La Paz is more expensive that
SoCal. You need to stop trying to negotiate reality.
Come to terms, dahling. Come to terms.
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oxxo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Shark18
A half-dozen other Nomads -- Nomads with mucho stars under their names -- have said right here on this thread that La Paz is more expensive that
SoCal. You need to stop trying to negotiate reality. |
I don't live in La Paz, I live in Los Cabos. You are apparently unfamiliar with Baja. Get out a map and find where La Paz is and where Los Cabos is.
They are around 120 miles apart.
Where are those links to your cancer statistics cabron?
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Shark18
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oxxo
| Quote: | Originally posted by Shark18
A half-dozen other Nomads -- Nomads with mucho stars under their names -- have said right here on this thread that La Paz is more expensive that
SoCal. You need to stop trying to negotiate reality. |
I don't live in La Paz, I live in Los Cabos. You are apparently unfamiliar with Baja. Get out a map and find where La Paz is and where Los Cabos is.
They are around 120 miles apart. |
Excuse me, oxxo, Would you like me to repost your message where you said, just today, that Los Cabos is the most expensive
city in Baja Sur?
So, let's go through the logic. A half-dozen Nomads say Baja in more expensive than SoCal. Oxxo says that Los Cabos is the most
expensive city in Baja Sur.
Come to terms, dahling. Come to terms.
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