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CaboRon
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Does Volunteer Work Require a Work Visa
When I first moved down here the Nomads who befriended me said that I could not do any volunteer work without having a proper Work endorsement to my
FM3 ....
What is your considered opinion.
What about volunteering at the Pet Clinic, the Recyclying Center, Acting in the Local Play ...
Just wondering what work is considered work .
CaboRon
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Dave
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Polls and opinions
Unless you work for Migra it don't matter. 
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fdt
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Yes, it is required but why bother if May 1st is only 2 months away.
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
Unless you work for Migra it don't matter. |
Dave,
Not sure I completely understand your answer ...
I should think you would care if Migra was enforcing.
We have a town here where more than half the gringos do some kind of volunteer work .
I guess I am asking .... is there anything to enforce ?
CaboRon
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Woooosh
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Anyone that would come to Mexico to volunteer for anyone or any purpose (not for financial gain) shoud be sainted, not cited.
This country couldn't really be this stupid all the time- can it? Let's hope they make exceptions for emergency events, disasaters and security
situations.
[Edited on 2-28-2009 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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fdt
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No exeptions. Remember were SOS
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YARDSAIL
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Volunteer work, as such does not require a visa change....But if you are on the board of directors of a non profit mex. corperation, then yes, you
need an addition to your FM3. And to make matters even tougher, they cost 1500 pesos. but that is a one time charge....
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Bajahowodd
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Ron, you may need to get a proper visa to do volunteer work in Vegas.
[Edited on 2-28-2009 by Bajahowodd]
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comitan
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YARDSAIL
Yes I can confirm that.
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
No exeptions. Remember were SOS |
True. Thanks Right Guard!
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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shari
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I was fined by immigration for doing volunteer work and told that on a tourist visa...you are just that...a tourist on holiday and you are NOT allowed
to do ANY volunteer work without permission from immigration authorities which will require a different type of visa....dumb eh.
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ckiefer
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I was fined by immigration for doing volunteer work and told that on a tourist visa...you are just that...a tourist on holiday and you are NOT allowed
to do ANY volunteer work without permission from immigration authorities which will require a different type of visa....dumb eh.
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Bummer. Must be trying to generate some revenue while keeping their eyes on the masses. I visited immigration recently to inquire about the upgrade
on an FM3 to change the activity, such as being on a board of directors of a mexican corporation. Results? Must change your activity to reflect
this, the cost is around 2000 mxn, in addition to your annual renewal fee which is usually about the same amount. Usually this would be for the
president, secretary, and treasurer. Or those with signing authority. Used my broken spanish and charades, so there could be something lost in
translation.
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Acuity
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I was once hauled before the chief guy at immigration in Cabo on the thought (incorrect) that I had not changed my FM3 status at that time to allow me
to serve on the volunteer condo board. They also harassed those who checked attendance at condo meetings.
My understanding is that any work, paid or not, that might be seen as taking work away from a Mexican (whether they would want the work or not) is not
allowed without an appropriate permit.
And while we're on the subject, how about collecting money as an unregistered charity (i.e. not as an A.C.)? Many do it, but I doubt it is allowed.
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David K
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Bringing hand-me-down clothes to the poor is against the law, too.
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ckiefer
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Uh oh, I see them pulling up now!  Gotta run, bye!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Acuity
I was once hauled before the chief guy at immigration in Cabo on the thought (incorrect) that I had not changed my FM3 status at that time to allow me
to serve on the volunteer condo board. They also harassed those who checked attendance at condo meetings.
My understanding is that any work, paid or not, that might be seen as taking work away from a Mexican (whether they would want the work or not) is not
allowed without an appropriate permit.
And while we're on the subject, how about collecting money as an unregistered charity (i.e. not as an A.C.)? Many do it, but I doubt it is allowed.
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beercan
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Try this for size !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I fly for the Flying Sams out of Tucson. One of many groups that come to Baja. They are charged for tourist permits each trip !!
| Quote: | by Shari
I was fined by immigration for doing volunteer work and told that on a tourist visa...you are just that...a tourist on holiday and you are NOT allowed
to do ANY volunteer work without permission from immigration authorities which will require a different type of visa....dumb eh.
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toneart
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Yes! With FMT or FM3 you need prior approval from immigration to volunteer when raising money for any and/or each event. (I know of what I speak). As
a band, we have to do this and bring a signed receipt from the beneficiary after delivery of the money. The mistrust is from locals who fear we will
take away their potential jobs, which is certainly NOT the case. But immigration doesn't ever want any complaints so they keep a tight lid on the
practice. No work endorsement has been needed as we are not working. This could vary from district to district.
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Bajahowodd
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Shari Bondy! Are you telling us that after all this time, you still maintain an FMT?
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David K
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HowOdd... Shari is married to a Mexican now, has a Mexican daughter... and is pretty much part of the Mexican world... She was refering to way in the
past...
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EnseNADAslim
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Slim Cracks his knuckles,,,,,
Mrs. Slim (Debbie) and I are here for the main purpose of Missions work, and that being mostly Volunteer. Our organization is registered as a Social
Service organization and not as a religious organization due to the amount of paper work requiered and the representation needed. After hear many
stories like Shari's and some with much worse consequences we finally looked into FM3's.
We are registered as Lucrative Volunteer workers the receive no income. So, we can work only as volunteers. We work with a real nice lady in Rosireto
that handles all of our paper work and she's real good. So in short, yea, ya need an FM3, still though, there are many down here that don't have them,
but it's always good to do the right thing.
Have a great Day ya'll
Slim
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