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n00ba
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Guadalupe Canyon -- water conditions?
Hi everybody. My first time here, hoping someone can help me.
I tried to book a campsite at Arturo's Campo in Guadalupe Canyon, but Canyonman Rob told me there is no water flowing to the tubs now. I booked at the
other campground instead, Guadalupe Canyon Oasis, as Ruben Loya assured me that there was water; but now I'm starting to doubt that. Why would
conditions be different from one campground to another?
Anybody been/heard anything recently about the springs? I searched on the boards but didn't find anything... we're supposed to leave Saturday morning,
but we'll need to cancel our trip and our car rental if there's no water 
Thanks for your help.
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David K
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Family feud I think... what a tragedy!
We had fun there last Holloween weekend!:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=35050
Welcome n00ba
[Edited on 3-13-2009 by David K]
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desertcpl
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I would cancel the trip.. I wouldnt think for a moment , that the springs is only going to one camp ground,, as much as I like Baja,, some times you
just cant trust what they are saying,, times are very hard for alot of folks and just looking to make a quick buck. I for one would not believe them
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n00ba
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Thanks for your responses. Great photos, David K!
I decided to ask Canyonman Rob about water at Ernesto's place (Guad Canyon Oasis) and he said there IS water there, just not at Arturo's.
If there is a family feud (and I believe that there is after reading some of the posts in these forums) I don't see why Rob would tell me there's
water at the other place if there's not.... nothing in it for him, right?
It is sad, but we've already put a deposit down, so we're going to go.
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David K
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Please go over to see if Arturo is there and ask the reason why... They did fix the lines after the fire of Dec. '07, and we went in January and
October of last year and all was fine.
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wilderone
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Just a suggestion - what does it take besides lines? Maybe take some supplies down in case there's a technical problem. David, you'd probably know
what he needs. Line and valves are cheap - maybe trade for part of your fees.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wilderone
Just a suggestion - what does it take besides lines? Maybe take some supplies down in case there's a technical problem. David, you'd probably know
what he needs. Line and valves are cheap - maybe trade for part of your fees. |
The system was working fine, so I doubt it is a pipe/ valve issue... which is easy repaired by Arturo's family (includes Canyonman Rob, his
son-in-law)... Hotscott is the expert on Guadalupe of any Nomad...
As for 'working' on the system there (if that was the problem), I don't have an FM-3 work visa... But, my on-line advice is always free!
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Mango
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I was there last year a few weeks after the fire and before David K's visit. There was plenty of water then and the palms were already coming back.
Some sites were affected more than others.
If there truly is no water I would think it would be due to a natural cause. Spring drying up, fissure closing due to earthquake, etc..
However, It's Mexico... I always ask three different people for directions or advice and triangulate. The truth usually lies somewhere in between
opposing businesses, factions, perceptions, or families.
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arbee
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I heard that Ernesto paid taxes and Arturo didn't, and it's the government not allowing Arturo to take the water. Hopefully this will get straightened
out soon.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by arbee
I heard that Ernesto paid taxes and Arturo didn't, and it's the government not allowing Arturo to take the water. Hopefully this will get straightened
out soon. |
The hot water pours out of the side of the mountain and PVC pipes direct it to the various camp sites and pools... on private Loya land... I don't see
how the government has anything to do with this... If a valve to Arturo's side was closed... once the government truck leaves, it could just be
re-opened. It's not like a water meter with a lock if you don't pay your bill.
http://vivabaja.com/405/
This is the only thing showing on the Guadalupe Canyon web site... sad!:
The Guadalupe Canyon
Website Is
Temporarily Down
Please Check
Back Soon
[Edited on 3-15-2009 by David K]
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BAJACAT
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BAJA IS WHAT YOU WANTED TO BE, FUN,DANGEROUS,INCREDIBLE, REMOTE, EXOTIC..JUST GO AND HAVE FUN.....
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Enrique
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Is Arturo's camp really dry?
n00ba,
Did you end up going to Guadalupe Canyon? Is it really true that Arturo's camp is dry? I am planning a trip for next month for a large group and it
would really help me if you could report back on your experience. Thanks
Enrique
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HotSchott
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Based on a conversation I had several weeks ago with friends of the family, distribution of the water in the canyon has ceased to Arturo's campos.
Ernesto, the elder brother who actually holds title to the land and the water has cut off the flow to Arturo. This dispute has been ongoing for
several years and became complicated with the involvement of the Mexican government regarding water rights and payment for taxes of the same.
Ultimately, Ernesto has decided eliminating the flow to Arturo's campos was what he wanted to do.
Additionally, I have heard that Arturo has developed advanced pancreatic cancer and is very ill. My prayers are for his family. I have over 25 years
of fantastic memories of Guadalupe canyon and interacting with so many people. It is the end of an era which has been coming for several years. Like
the lights from Mexicali that now illuminate the Southern sky every night, the changes are more obvious now. The desert is still there, but the peace
and overwhelming tranquility that drew me there is slipping away.
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wilderone
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Ernesto's brother has pancreatic cancer and he chooses to cut off the means to his livelihood? With family like that, you don't need enemies.
My memories of Guadalupe Canyon - $10/nt., rustic open tubs where the water flowed all the time (you put a sock in the pipe to fill it up) - that's
the Baja experience that makes memories. Si - the end of an era. Sad.
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David K
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Very sad....
Arturo's side of the canyon is 1000 times better than the other... why doesn't the brother just... oh, never mind... it is Mexico and logic doesn't
always work there...
Thanks for the word hotschott...
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Enrique
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Thanks everyone. That is sad - we spent many good nights at the San Marcos site. Can anyone recommend alternative destinations with a similar
profile (not too far from border, hot springs, scenic, etc.)? Thanks for your input.
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David K
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There is NO place in Baja that is quite like Arturo's at Guadalupe Canyon... yet!
I was sure hoping for some development at Agua Caliente Canyon (Valle Chico) that was started a couple years ago... but is stalled, so it seems. Every
time someone tries to investigate, the canyon has been locked closed! Perhaps growing pot up there again (2001 was the last time)?
Agua Caliente's hot spring is in a flash flood zone, not up high on the mountainside like at Guadalupe. See http://vivabaja.com/404 when jide and I camped there after meeting BajaLou at Parral and exploring other canyons.
A hot water stream, flowing out of the spring which is to the right, on the bench about 5 feet higher than the streambed. Water is so hot, that a hike
of a hundred yards away is needed to find it not too hot to get wet in! A cool mountain stream is a hundred feet away, in the middle of the canyon
floor... hot and cold running water! They both merge about 400 feet downsream from the hot spring.
[Edited on 3-28-2009 by David K]
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baja-chris
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I emailed Canyonman Rob several days ago and never got a reply. We were thinking of just going down there mid-week without a reservation but sounds
like a bad idea after reading this. Too bad.
What do you guys know about the hot springs outside Ensenada on the road to Ojos? Also there is a place south of Ensenada that has a billboard
advertising hot springs and canopy tours. What's that all about?
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David K
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(San Antonio) Hot Springs off Hwy 3 east of Ensenada, popular with locals... a while back Tim Walker visted and photographed the motel and facilities
there... not impressed.
San Carlos Hot Springs off Hwy. 1, south of Ensenada at the golf course: See posts by BajaCat... many photos... busy place!
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http://www.lascanadas.com/ this is the one just south of Maneadero
http://web.ranchosancarlosensenada.com/index.php?lang=eng-US this is San Carlos near the Baja Country Club
There are also hot springs between Maneadero and Santo Tomas at Uruapan, run by the Ejido there.
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