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EnseNADAslim
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Handleing Death in Mexico
Anyone have any good info. or a link to an old thread relating to dieing in Mexico? This year I think we need to make arrangements for the
un-thinkable. I know that Cremation is amost looked at like a sin and I've had to deal with it once and it was a nightmare.
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bajabound2005
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We know people that have had bodies cremated. Not a problem. What you DO need is a family doctor (in Mexico) or record that can sign the death
certificate. Makes it much smoother.
Friends don't let friends drink white zinfandel.
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BajaNomad
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Something Fred Hoctor let me post on the BajaNomad.com site many years ago - an excerpt from Baja Haha:
http://www.bajanomad.com/columnists/fhoctor/
When I was young, I admired clever people. Now that I am old, I admire kind people.
– Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel
We know we must go back if we live, and we don`t know why.
– John Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez
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tripledigitken
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Just last week a long time resident of Punta Chivato passed away while shopping in Santa Rosalia. The details of the paperwork I am not aware of, but
I do know that the body was sent to Tijuana for cremation and was scheduled to be returned to the states by the surviving relatives this week.
Ken
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rpleger
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Very good story and possibly true.
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Jack Swords
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I can speak with some experience in La Paz. There is a crematory and we have been involved in several situations where ex-pats have needed this
service. A couple were scattered at sea, two were sent back to their country of origin (Canada). Paperwork was minimal, but the consulate provided a
visa! for the ashes to be returned to Canada. The usual confusion and unknown factors applied, but all in all it went well. I did find my Spanish
vocabulary inadequate for these new situations, however.
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fdt
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| Quote: | Originally posted by EnseNADAslim
I know that Cremation is amost looked at like a sin and I've had to deal with it once and it was a nightmare. |
It is very comon to have the dearly departed cremated.
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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danaeb
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My father died in Guadalajara many years ago. My mother and I handled the cremation arrangements. The authorities treated us with respect and were
very efficient throughout the process. I'm not sure 'easy' would be the word to describe it, but it was certainly far less complicated than I had
expected.
Experience enables you to recognize a mistake every time you repeat it.
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Keri
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Funny you should ask,
I have been thinking the same thing lately after some friends of ours died in San Quintin last few months. I have spoken to a lady from a healthcare
agency here that will be coming to our hotel to give us an overview of what you need and to whom you need to speak. Please send me your u2u with your
email address and as soon as I firm up a date I will send you an email. Any one is invited. Send me your email also and I will get the info to you,k
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k-rico
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Are Mexican death certificates accepted in the US for legal/financial reasons just as US death certificates, or is that a complication?
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bajaguy
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May not be a bad idea to spend a few bucks and get a Mexican will drafted up
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805gregg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaNomad
Something Fred Hoctor let me post on the BajaNomad.com site many years ago - an excerpt from Baja Haha:
http://www.bajanomad.com/columnists/fhoctor/
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Nice, I ran across Freds book a few days age I'll have to re-read it. I had older family friends that used to load up and old bus with motorcycles,
kegs, and them, drive to Baja,(I don't know where, this was early 60's) and proceed to have a blast on the beaches. They had been doing this for
years, this year, maybe too much beer on the way down, or just bad luck... they arrived 2 guy's roared up the beach turned around and roared
back...but they couldn't see each other and did a head on, killing both. The rest of the crew, knowing the Mexican lust of BS, loaded them on the bus
and headed for the border. They came across the border explaining, those 2, and probably others were passed out. They made it back and the poor souls
were buried. This was in Hawthorne Ca and is true. In Mexico with their lack of a legal system ,it's better to bolt for the border .
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BajaNuts
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http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=37055#pid3934...
this is the second of two recent posts on this topic, LVPatton had another one in search of the missing father.
maybe something would be of help.
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lizard lips
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I investigate life insurance claims all over the world but because I live in Ensenada and speak the language I have worked in every state in Mexico,
the largest cities and many of the smallest pueblos.
If a loved one dies in Mexico it is not that complicated to get the paper work completed. If this person dies at home call the police or the
ministerio publico. The MP will come to your home and investigate to check on the circumstances of death or if anyone else was involved in the death.
If there is no formal investigation you will have the option to call a funeraria or have the loved one taken to the semefo (morgue) until you decide
which funeral home you choose.
The doctor who certifies the death is usually from the government office of the "Secretaria de Salud" or health department. The initial secretaria de
salud death certificate is then delivered to the Registro Civil for proper registration. When this is completed, usually a day or two, obtain several
copies and make sure you go to either a U.S. consulate or embassy and have them issue a "Death of an American Citizen Abroad" death certificate.
Usually they will mail 10 of these to an address in the United States or you can pick them up at the embassy when they tell you they will be ready.
There are not a lot of cremation businesses in the smaller cities and in this case the body must be transported by funeral home vehicle to the nearest
facility. They need to obtain a "Translado" (transportation) document from the city municipal government office to do this but they take care of that.
Make sure you keep all documents (copies) if there is life insurance involved. Investigators like me will contact the beneficiary and ask for all
related documents and it makes it a lot easier to satisfy the claim.
It really is easy and not a problem. All funeral homes will go the extra mile to help you as well as the government offices.
Now, if you want to fake the death of a loved one and collect the life insurance please contact me and we can talk, for a percentage, of course.......
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EnseNADAslim
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In my situation this was not a family member, but a very good friend. The Gov't official would not sign the paper work for cremation because I'm not a
family member trying to fulfill the wishes of our friend, which I could totally understand. But man, after we jumped through many hoops, got all kinds
of paper work, and did everything he asked us to do,,,,he simply said NO!
The guy at the funeral home was sneaky though,,,he mixed in the request with a bunch of other paper work and the Director signed it not knowing what
he signed  We scattered his ashes in the Sea of Cortez.
My wife and I feel that if we both do this together and make arrangements now and basically pay and arrange for cremation there will not be a problem,
and yea, a will him Mexico would be a great idea. Thanks for the info everyone.
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k-rico
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thanks lizard lips
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lizard lips
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Your welcome K
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Dave
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You could always make pozole
| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
It is very comon to have the dearly departed cremated. |
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This guy's retired but I'm sure someone has taken his place.
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Fred
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lizard lips..........thanks for the info.
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