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Sharksbaja
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Mess-anger...very funny Dennis. No we don't want to shoot the messager. His information is most likely real but waaaay out of proportion. It's
probably a few jackings which is a few too many.
Not trying to call anyone a liar here but unfortunately facts do get skewed between recipients, the news stories and all in between.
I for one hope it is just an overstated situation.
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Skeet/Loreto
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, Tent Cities popping up all over the States
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Pacifico
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Thanks for the info BajaChris - even if it is partially true it is good to be made aware of. Looking forward to more reports on this.....
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Cardon Man
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
, Tent Cities popping up all over the States |
Non Sequitur.
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Pompano
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George, I feel the same way about stopping these days.
Damn, Jorge...I can't believe that the time has come in Baja when we feel leary about stopping to give assistance on the Baja Road, but it's come to
that...and more's the pity.
I just made the Mulege-San Diego and return trip myself a few weeks ago...in late February. I was in a hurry so didn't stop for a motel or to visit
with any locals, but did give this family from Italy a ride. Thier rental had broke down in the hills, and rather than wait out in the lonely
desert, decided to meet thier other companion car in Guerroro Negro, and were standing there hitching alonside the highway. After making sure nobody
had an Uzi, I made room for the group in the pickup bed, and away we went.
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It was a considerable distance to GN.
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We were happy to help this nice family and they insisted on buying us dinner and a beer.
Now here's the bad part...If it had not been a harmless-looking family, I don't think I would have stopped. That's what the last few years
have done to Baja. 
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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bajachris
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FYI, check out the US state department's listing about traveling in Mexico:
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/pa/pa_3028.html
"Robberies, homicides, petty thefts, and carjackings have all increased over the last year across Mexico generally, with notable spikes in Tijuana and
northern Baja California...
In some cases, assailants have worn full or partial police or military uniforms and have used vehicles that resemble police vehicles. While most
crime victims are Mexican citizens, the uncertain security situation poses serious risks for U.S. citizens as well."
The information above is from the state department's web site.
Also, don't ever underestimate the government censorship of Mexico press. They don't allow them to release all information to the US. You don't have
the right to bear arms or freedom of speech down there.
I've sure everyone's family is constantly warning them not to go to Mexico, just like my family is. And, obviously you ignore all the past warnings
like we have. We love Baja and want to continue to visit. We figured if we drove during the day and bypassed TJ and Rosarito, we'd be fine. But these
warnings from my original posting of a "newbie" are just a little to close to home (South of El Rosario), and they are happening during the day time.
Continue to go if you want, but please post any problems that you have so we can make informed decisions about future trips.
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bajachris
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
If the story isn't greatly exagerrated I'll eat my freakin' truck. |
Let us know how that truck passes.
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shari
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I appreciate this thread as many many locals here travel regularly between here and ensenada where we have family members. That is one lonely stretch
of road...perfect place for carjackings and not many cops at all...it is the extreme southern point of Ensenada county and somewhat forgotten. There
have always been problems there but mostly mexicans were targeted...many mexicans travel with wads of cash and hold ups are more common than you
think.
I am very concerned as sirenita may be travelling this stretch and as a result of this thread, I will warn her and others to, not to stop for a
pee...or anything else for that matter.
Because it hit the papers, there IS something going on...good thing they got some of the bad guys but sounds like there are some still lurking out
there so be on guard.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
Now here's the bad part...If it had not been a harmless-looking family, I don't think I would have stopped. That's what the last few years
have done to Baja. |
We have followed this thread with a lot of interest since we travel back and forth every month to six weeks---just came back last Thursday and saw
several army trucks, but nothing unusual.
While I hope it is not happening, it sounds more and more like it is---I do hope they catch ALL the bad guys. 
And I agree. Stopping to help has changed in some ways. Last time we drove out from Bahia Asuncion to Vizcaino, by the time we got back to Bahia
Asuncion, we had six passengers----but we had profiled before we stopped. (Two different flat tire incidents and no spares) One was a family and the
other were men we knew from Bahia Asuncion.
The locals have warned us that car robberies have happened on the road from Vizcaino to Tortugas, so we are careful. I feel bad, but if it is several
young men, we don't stop.
I do hope to hear more about this, especially, as already said, how are they doing this---how do they stop the cars?
Diane
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wilderone
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50? That a lot of cars to ditch. What are the perps doing with all these cars? What's the purpose? Dismantle them for parts? Do what with the
parts? Rob the drivers? They can do that without taking their cars. Take the drivers' luggage with their clothes and shampoo? And do what with it?
Kinda of a dumb crime if you ask me. And three have been caught? There can't be too many more who will try this, when everyone now knows who, what,
where, how much and how many. Take your pepper spray and don't stop.
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DENNIS
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I'm passing on this report that was sent to me three weeks back. It seems to be part of the picture.
Again, this is not my story but, from one you know well.
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"I am going to make this as short as possible. On the way down to Mulege my wife and I stopped for the night to camp at El Paballon RV park, on 17th
of Febuary. When we woke up the next morning at 5:30, there were two Mexican guys acting like they were looking at some old whale bones at the parks
entrance. We could tell they were checking us out. My only thought was that we were lucky we woke up so early. We broke camp and were on the road
only a few minutes later. We had only taken out the necessities, as we were just camping for the night. As the road turns up into the hills that go
over to El Rosario I notice in my rear view mirror a truck rounding the corner behind us that was going way too fast. I immediately said commented
about it to my wife. We decided to speed up and try and stay ahead of them. No matter how fast I went they were still catching up with us. At that
point I decided that there was no way I was going to let them pass. I pushed my truck as hard as I could, and then a little bit more. They were
right on our bumper now. At the exit of every curve, they would try and come along side of us, but I would gun it and our truck had more pick up than
theirs. Thank God. I had more or a load than they did though so they would catch up on the curves. My wife was looking back and could see the
passenger had a rifle between his legs, and that they were the same two guys from the camp ground. We were in a race for our lives. Finally we could
see the top of the mesa where the army check point is. I floored it and we started to pull away from the banditos. At which point they turned
around. We told the army guys what had just happened, but they were uninterested."
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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I'm passing on this report that was sent to me three weeks back. It seems to be part of the picture.
Again, this is not my story but, from one you know well.
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"I am going to make this as short as possible. On the way down to Mulege my wife and I stopped for the night to camp at El Paballon RV park, on 17th
of Febuary. When we woke up the next morning at 5:30, there were two Mexican guys acting like they were looking at some old whale bones at the parks
entrance. We could tell they were checking us out. My only thought was that we were lucky we woke up so early. We broke camp and were on the road
only a few minutes later. We had only taken out the necessities, as we were just camping for the night. As the road turns up into the hills that go
over to El Rosario I notice in my rear view mirror a truck rounding the corner behind us that was going way too fast. I immediately said commented
about it to my wife. We decided to speed up and try and stay ahead of them. No matter how fast I went they were still catching up with us. At that
point I decided that there was no way I was going to let them pass. I pushed my truck as hard as I could, and then a little bit more. They were
right on our bumper now. At the exit of every curve, they would try and come along side of us, but I would gun it and our truck had more pick up than
theirs. Thank God. I had more or a load than they did though so they would catch up on the curves. My wife was looking back and could see the
passenger had a rifle between his legs, and that they were the same two guys from the camp ground. We were in a race for our lives. Finally we could
see the top of the mesa where the army check point is. I floored it and we started to pull away from the banditos. At which point they turned
around. We told the army guys what had just happened, but they were uninterested." |
So these banditos were going to car jack this couple just around the corner from the military stop?
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Sharksbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajachris
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
If the story isn't greatly exagerrated I'll eat my freakin' truck. |
Let us know how that truck passes. |
I'm not breaking out the hot sauce yet! 
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Dennis, wouldn't it have been prudent to give us the heads up then?
[Edited on 3-30-2009 by Sharksbaja]
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vandenberg
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No reason to disbelieve Dennis.
He's hardly known for making up stories.
Thanks Dennis.
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Sharksbaja
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I wasn't inferring that.
btw, I had a similar thang happen to me on that old bad stretch between GN and Viscaino.
I didn't want to go 100 mph there so I opted to pull over quickly into the desert with a plan to go cross-country if they stopped. They didn't and I
have no idea if they were armed or drunk or what but they went flying by. It did rattle my nerves.
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shari
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OK, I just talked to my sister in law tita who talked to some folks in GN at the hospital who were chatting about the recent problems with carjackers
in that area...so rumour appear to be true and many people are afraid to travel that section at the moment. It is not known if the cars are targeted
but possible that the bad guys know who is carrying cash...perhaps they are watched from GN...the bank etc... and followed...just not known if they
are random or planned attacks but everyone in the GN area is talking about it as many victims are from there. People from other villages come to GN to
go to the bank to cash their paychecks etc.
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Sharksbaja
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Let me get this straight. We, the Nomads with all our connections and eyeballs and ears are just now privy to something that directly affects our
well-being.
Gee thanks Baja. Sorry again Chris.
Better go buy some syrup of epicac now......
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
No reason to disbelieve Dennis.
He's hardly known for making up stories.
Thanks Dennis. |
Thanks Ed. The man who sent it to me has better things to do than make up stories as well. Wish I could give his name but, can't.
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DENNIS
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All of this illustrates the need for caravans. We've talked at length about this in the past. The topic needs to be reopened.
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woody with a view
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interesting..... late last summer Martin's brother Jorge had his truck stolen in GN. it was stripped and then the cops found it. i thought that this
may have had something to do with Martin's remarks being misinterpreted.
my bad!
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