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Dave
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No caravans
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
All of this illustrates the need for caravans. We've talked at length about this in the past. The topic needs to be reopened.
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I'd rather get jacked than spend eternity behind some silly caravan.
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yellowtail67
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If this thread has bits of truth, and it seems too, it is a sad day........
That said, who is traveling down in mid-May? Wanna caravan into Santa Rosalia area?
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Bajaboy
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Well, I'll rephrase my question...How is this happening just around the bend from a military outpost? While I'm not discrediting the stories, I am in
disbelief that the authorities can't put an end to the problem. Something is missing here....
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yellowtail67
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Catavina to GN is still a long stretch of road no matter what way it is sliced or diced!
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flyfishinPam
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I appreciate this thread as many many locals here travel regularly between here and ensenada where we have family members. That is one lonely stretch
of road...perfect place for carjackings and not many cops at all...it is the extreme southern point of Ensenada county and somewhat forgotten. There
have always been problems there but mostly mexicans were targeted...many mexicans travel with wads of cash and hold ups are more common than you
think.
I am very concerned as sirenita may be travelling this stretch and as a result of this thread, I will warn her and others to, not to stop for a
pee...or anything else for that matter.
Because it hit the papers, there IS something going on...good thing they got some of the bad guys but sounds like there are some still lurking out
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How about bus transportation to Asuncion? I am still planning getting up there pretty soon to celebrate but don't trust my cars to make it up there.
I usually go to La Paz via bus now. Bus may be the safest way but on second thought that's that padre amare movie... just kiddin.
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amelia
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I drive down from Northern California every November towing a trailer to go Kayaking in BOLA with family and friends. Each year has gotten scarier
than the last and I skipped it for the first time last year. I need my Baja fix and have been planning already to go down this year. I've been
convincing myself that the situation is just US media hype but this thread is a reality check. The stretch of road in question has always been in
question and I'm totally reconsidering the trip again. Ahhhhhhh damn banditos: mad: 
[Edited on 3-30-2009 by amelia]
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flyfishinPam
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i would say just do it but now we need to travel in caravans to protect each other as I would think the bandidos prefer lone vehicles. aye se fue la
libertad 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
I'd rather get jacked than spend eternity behind some silly caravan. |
Well, that's just it, Dave. If you're in it, you arn't behind it. Put it on cruise and start poppin' tops.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by flyfishinPam
i would say just do it but now we need to travel in caravans to protect each other as I would think the bandidos prefer lone vehicles. aye se fue la
libertad |
For as often as we go back and forth, that just wouldn't work for us---but it won't stop us from going---carefully.
BTW---there is no bus service to Bahia Asuncion. It only goes to Vizcaino and then you need to have other arrangments.
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Bajahowodd
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But, it wasn't Dennis' story.
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oladulce
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The govenor of BCS and Fonatur have big plans for the development of tourism in the San Juanico area and paving the 27 mile dirt road from La
Purisima to SJ was their first step. The road is about half-way completed and it's funny that I haven't spoken with any local folks who are excited
about it's completion.
I thought they'd be delighted to be able to get in to" town" (Cd.Const or Insurgentes) without enduring the mega- washboard; their cars would last
longer, their tires would go farther, and prices for things like building materials might decline.
But all the folks I've spoken to are concerned about the same thing- if it's easier for them to get out of the village, it will be easier for the
malos to come in to the village. We've heard it enough times now to believe there must be something to their concerns.
The local cop even shakes his head and says "No bueno. Too easy for the Mickey Mouse to get to the pueblo". I finally figured out that Mickey Mouse
was his term for "ratones", or thieves.
His opinion is that San Carlos/ Constitución is a hotbed of bad stuff and bad people and he feels that the stretch crappy washboard has been what's
kept them at bay so far.
I've never heard of problems on the 50 mile stretch of deserted pavement between Insurgentes and La Purisima, but it's the same scenario as Shari
described - long stretches of desolate highway between the banks in Guerrero Negro and outlying remote villages. Lots of people are traveling back to
their pueblos with wads of cash to last them for their day to day needs.
It's what everybody I know does, and what we had planned to do upon retirement. Now that we're preparing to live full time in the Baja Boonies, this
topic is a huge concern.
Thank you Chris for starting this topic, and thanks Dennis for reporting the Pabellon incident.
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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Pam...we will come and get you in Vizcaino!
That stretch of road between GN and El Rosario is a lonely place and the issue is that there just arent any cops on it...or very very very few and far
far between. I am sure they carjack in the daytime as that is when folks are coming from the bank with cold cash...not many people drive at night
unless it's an emergency. I was surprised we hadnt heard about this rash of crime but it sounds like it is recent and targeted mexicanos. I just cant
believe it is random...I think they know who they want somehow...are set up...that the bad guys have some advance knowledge of who they want to
target....which is why mi esposo ALWAYS insists on not telling ANYONE when and where you are travelling to...you just never know who is listening or
who will tell whom.
It doesnt matter if this occurs close to the checkpoint...as you could see from the non reaction the potential victims got from the military...it is
just not their jurisdiction....they dont care if you are staggering drunk and driving as long as they dont find drugs or guns they dont
care....perhaps their spanish wasnt adequate to explain what had just occured to them so the military didnt understand...but I am disappointed that
this incident didnt get reported to the cops with a good description of the vehicle and men. I shall keep my ears open to see if indeed this gang has
been caught or at least stopped holding up vehicles....but remember, this can happen anywhere in baja.
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Wiles
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| Quote: | | I pushed my truck as hard as I could, and then a little bit more........................ My wife was looking back and could see the passenger had a
rifle between his legs, and that they were the same two guys from the camp ground. We were in a race for our lives. |
While hauling burro up and down and around tight curves, this guys wife was able to turn around and spot a rifle between a guys legs in the vehicle
behind them?? Call me crazy, but she must have x-ray vision.  
These are very serious incidents and should be taken into consideration when traveling. Having said that, similar incidents have occured from time to
time since the opening of the Baja 1 highway. Never like to hear about it but, nothing new here.
Any reports of bicycle hijacks?? 
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Bajahowodd
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If you can't get a convoy together, how about creating one with a bus? Obviously, in front and not behind. But if you don't mind traveling their
speed, and keep them in your rear view mirror, it would seem to me to just about solve the problem.
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BajaGringo
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I have heard of some folks who do that very same thing with trucks. They sacrifice time but feel safer...
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robrt8
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I do this all the time. Trucks, cars, buses.. helps at night.
To each his own with the caravans.
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bajachris
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Here are the specifics that we got when inquiring about these incident with the original source who was returning from San Juanico.
re the carjackings, i dont really know the details, just what we heard over coffee in GN, but i did just read in the paper they found another drug
boat off of rosario (punta baja)... eeesh...
>Questions: Are Mexicans or Americans being car jacked?
i heard mexicans
> What's the MO? Are they dressed as cops?
no - not dressed as cops, but a cop was involved
> What do they do with the people?
tie them up with duct tape and leave them in the desert
> I'm kind of assuming they might be Mexican, because most Americans
> wouldn't be missed for quite a while??
not sure - i heard a mexican father and son -
> Who told you all this?
the lady at the bus stop in GN that always gives us coffee
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bajachris
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We asked for verification from people we know in Bahia de Los Angeles and this is what we were told.
"We have all been down with terrible colds, at the same time! not fun. We have heard stories from folks in town about the car jackings going on. Today
just heard some were caught and 3 were from here! Our neighbors who are either coming or going are doing so in a caravan. Also patrol has been stepped
up around that area.
Too bad you now have to make other plans for spring break. Probably a good thing as you don't want to chance it, it's not worth it.
The police here didn't say how many people were involved but there is or was a woman also. No confirmation on how many jacking there has been and/or
reports of injuries or deaths.......new arrivals to bahia say there is military points set-up in various areas."
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bajachris
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
| Quote: | Originally posted by bajachris
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If the story isn't greatly exagerrated I'll eat my freakin' truck. |
Let us know how that truck passes. |
I'm not breaking out the hot sauce yet!
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Dennis, wouldn't it have been prudent to give us the heads up then?
[Edited on 3-30-2009 by Sharksbaja] |
Maybe he was afraid of being ridiculed by folks in this forum. Nah, that would never happen
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bajachris
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
Let me get this straight. We, the Nomads with all our connections and eyeballs and ears are just now privy to something that directly affects our
well-being.
Gee thanks Baja. Sorry again Chris.
Better go buy some syrup of epicac now...... |
I have not seen anything about this on any site that I normally visit before heading down and I had not heard any of this when I was in the area in
January. I meet with the Punta Prieta Police at that time and they mentioned that someone had robbed the Pemex outside of GN but no mention of this.
Clearly if people are caravaning to BOLA the word is out. I think that because we often hear the same incidents rehashed over and over by the media
we have become complacent when new information is available and quick to dismiss it.
Thanks for the apology Sharksbaja. Enjoy your meal.
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