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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by MrBillM Just heard an Analyst say that our successful war on the Cartels in Colombia should be the blueprint for fighting them in Mexico and
we should get President Calderon to agree to the same thing in Mexico.
 
 YEAH, I can just see that.  I'm sure Mexico would Happily welcome the level of U.S. Military involvement that we saw in Colombia.
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by Bajahowodd Could be it somehow got re-routed from or on its way to Iraq. There's been a few stories lately about people serving over there who have been shipping
boxes of cash back home, or departing with suitcases full of it. Overcome by temptation, mostly by a lack of auditing oversight. But a weapon like
that one could net someone a huge bonus.
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 Got any actual facts to back this acusation up?
 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by CaboRon Mexican detained with anti-aircraft machine gun
 
 AP MEXICO CITY —
 
 President Barack Obama has promised to do more to stop gun trafficking from the United States to Mexico. He has pledged to dispatch nearly 500
more federal agents to the border, along with X-ray machines and drug-sniffing dogs.
 
 Associated Press writer Mark Stevenson
 
 [Edited on 4-15-2009 by CaboRon]
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 OK, why am I confused about this statement?
 Could Obama be confused as to which way the supposed weapons flow is going?
 Along with the 500 agents, will we be building kiosks to house the X-ray machines and turnstiles for the agents to check vehicles going into Mexica
with the smuggled weapons that we never here anything about them being missing in our media?
 How will drug sniffing dogs help this alleged problem?  Do weapons destined for cartel usage have a pre-drug dealer usage odor added to them at the
factory, much like how we odorize LPG or Natural gas?
 
 
 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by Gadget 
 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by CaboRon Mexican detained with anti-aircraft machine gun
 
 AP MEXICO CITY —
 
 President Barack Obama has promised to do more to stop gun trafficking from the United States to Mexico. He has pledged to dispatch nearly 500
more federal agents to the border, along with X-ray machines and drug-sniffing dogs.
 
 Associated Press writer Mark Stevenson
 
 [Edited on 4-15-2009 by CaboRon]
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 OK, why am I confused about this statement?
 Could Obama be confused as to which way the supposed weapons flow is going?
 Along with the 500 agents, will we be building kiosks to house the X-ray machines and turnstiles for the agents to check vehicles going into Mexica
with the smuggled weapons that we never here anything about them being missing in our media?
 How will drug sniffing dogs help this alleged problem?  Do weapons destined for cartel usage have a pre-drug dealer usage odor added to them at the
factory, much like how we odorize LPG or Natural gas?
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| CaboRon 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by Gadget 
 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by CaboRon Mexican detained with anti-aircraft machine gun
 
 AP MEXICO CITY —
 
 President Barack Obama has promised to do more to stop gun trafficking from the United States to Mexico. He has pledged to dispatch nearly 500
more federal agents to the border, along with X-ray machines and drug-sniffing dogs.
 
 Associated Press writer Mark Stevenson
 
 [Edited on 4-15-2009 by CaboRon]
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 OK, why am I confused about this statement?
 Could Obama be confused as to which way the supposed weapons flow is going?
 Along with the 500 agents, will we be building kiosks to house the X-ray machines and turnstiles for the agents to check vehicles going into Mexica
with the smuggled weapons that we never here anything about them being missing in our media?
 How will drug sniffing dogs help this alleged problem?  Do weapons destined for cartel usage have a pre-drug dealer usage odor added to them at the
factory, much like how we odorize LPG or Natural gas?
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 As to the dogs .... drug dogs are not bomb dogs ....
 
 Different training and competele different alert patterns...
 
 Dogs can be trained to sniff out many different things such as cordite or even some diseases .....
 
 However they have to specialize in one area or another ...
 
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 Naturally, the cartel or most "bad guys" do not follow any rules set by society. I was referring to the video that shows what appears to be US forces
allegedly using a .50 cal. to blow away people on the ground.  I assume that they were bad people but a .50 cal.? What, a 30 caliber would not work. 
I am saying this mostly with tongue in cheek but we might as well follow the rules when we can.  The Geneva Convention was written for the good people
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 Another AP photo from the story in Sonora - wasn't in the article linked to earlier in the thread:
 
 
   
 
 
 
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by Howard Ron
 
 Naturally, the cartel or most "bad guys" do not follow any rules set by society. I was referring to the video that shows what appears to be US forces
allegedly using a .50 cal. to blow away people on the ground.  I assume that they were bad people but a .50 cal.? What, a 30 caliber would not work. 
I am saying this mostly with tongue in cheek but we might as well follow the rules when we can.  The Geneva Convention was written for the good people
as well as the bad people.
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| It's His Story and He's Sticking to it. 
 
 Watching the High(Low ?)Lights from Obarama's Mexico speech, he said that "NINETY-PERCENT of the weapons seized by Mexico come from
the United States, MOSTLY from the Gun Stores that line our border". adding that it has come about as a result of ending the Assault Weapons ban in
2004.
 
 LIAR, LIAR, Wish you were on Fire.
 
 Let's see the BATF breakdown on the categories of weapons traced and when they were purchased.
 
 Slim chance of that.  We're simply being setup for a new round of Gun Control attempts.  Expect sales and prices to continue spiraling upwards.
 
 BTW, WHAT is the difference between a fatal shot from a .50 and a .30 ?  Other than the increased probability of a good kill ?  And, after all, isn't
that the purpose for shooting the bad guys ?
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by Howard Ron
 
 Naturally, the cartel or most "bad guys" do not follow any rules set by society. I was referring to the video that shows what appears to be US forces
allegedly using a .50 cal. to blow away people on the ground.  I assume that they were bad people but a .50 cal.? What, a 30 caliber would not work. 
I am saying this mostly with tongue in cheek but we might as well follow the rules when we can.  The Geneva Convention was written for the good people
as well as the bad people.
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 Howard,
 
 They wanted to take out those motorized vehicles also,
 
 And it did a mighty fine job of that ....
 
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 Attila ?  I'll take that as a compliment, although I haven't sacked any countrysides, raped or pillaged in my time.  The opportunity just never came
up.
 
 Attila tends to be misunderstood.  He was simply good at his job and no different in his methods than any other ruler of his time.  I think there is a
prejudice among Western Scholars who can look upon Julius Caesar, Vasco da Gama and others in a much more favorable light than good old Attila.
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 Ron, it was a splendid job.  For a brief moment I lost control and didn't  mind paying my taxes to support the war.  Like I said, just a nanu moment
than got all peeed off again on the way our taxes our spent.  But that is a story for another time.
 
 Now keep in mind if we ever meet, it was just an observation, not a personal opinion about using the 50 cal., I was not saying it was unethical
because of the damage that it does! Damn, they did demolish those "bad guys" and trucks in a quick and orderly manner!I'm not sure if I should feel
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 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by CaboRon 
 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by Gadget 
 | Quote: |  | Originally posted by CaboRon Mexican detained with anti-aircraft machine gun
 
 AP MEXICO CITY —
 
 President Barack Obama has promised to do more to stop gun trafficking from the United States to Mexico. He has pledged to dispatch nearly 500
more federal agents to the border, along with X-ray machines and drug-sniffing dogs.
 
 Associated Press writer Mark Stevenson
 
 [Edited on 4-15-2009 by CaboRon]
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 OK, why am I confused about this statement?
 Could Obama be confused as to which way the supposed weapons flow is going?
 Along with the 500 agents, will we be building kiosks to house the X-ray machines and turnstiles for the agents to check vehicles going into Mexica
with the smuggled weapons that we never here anything about them being missing in our media?
 How will drug sniffing dogs help this alleged problem?  Do weapons destined for cartel usage have a pre-drug dealer usage odor added to them at the
factory, much like how we odorize LPG or Natural gas?
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 As to the dogs .... drug dogs are not bomb dogs ....
 
 Different training and competele different alert patterns...
 
 Dogs can be trained to sniff out many different things such as cordite or even some diseases .....
 
 However they have to specialize in one area or another ...
 
 CaboRon
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 Thanks for the clairification CR, but I am fully aware of the differences.
 Is President Obama?
 He should say what he means, unless of course he is just reading a script that was poorly written and if the TP goes out he wouldn't even know where
he was.
 Beware of my Laguna Salada type sence of humor when reading many of my posts
   
 
 
 
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 It was reported today that, although there had been numerous requests to the White House for a clarification of Obarama's
Ninety-Percent comment, the White House response had been "No Comment".
 
 Yeah, what can they say ?
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