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Bajahowodd
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Carnival Not Mexico's Friend
Saw a press release this morning that Carnival Cruises, has extended its "boycott" of Mexican ports until June 15.
In their defense (possibly), it may just be that their clients don't want to go to Mexican ports right now. In addition, they might find it nearly
impossible to call on some Mexican ports and not others.
That being said, I really feel for Ensenada. Many of the cruise lines' regualr ports in Mexico already have a large tourist resort infrastructure. So,
if Cabo losses ships, they may or may not feel much pain depending upon the strength of booking for their hotels and timeshares. But poor Ensenada,
having watched land-based tourism dwindle for the past two years, was much more dependent upon the cruise passengers for revenue.
I'd just like to have Carnival explain how it is safer to stop in San Diego than Ensenada, with respect to the flu.
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woody with a view
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i would think that if carnival said to their passengers, "come on, it's all over rated, that swine flu thingy. don't worry, just shut up and spend
your money." then passengers get sick.... well, johnny cochran would roll over in his grave....
if they stop in SD and someone got sick it's just coincidence, or poor genes .
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I have friends on a large cruise "the world" that was just off the shores of La Paz when it was ordered not to dock and to fuel off shore and return
to San Diego with no stops except off shore fueling! We had planned this trip for years and the guests are literally stuck on board unable to depart
or visit Baja.
The sheer lunacy and false nature of this "pandemic" is now obvious to anyone except those lacking critical thinking ability, as it has been admitted
as overblown, that there is no evidence of a flu worse than normal, no evidence of an epidemic nor pandemic, no evidence of a threat of the flu in
Baja which must lead any critical thinker to ask WHO would trust these Governments distractions from torture crimes and economic crimes at this point?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090505/ts_nm/us_flu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pxdLzdVr_E
US has confirmed a 2nd death due to H1N1 whereas typical numbers of deaths attributed to flu are in the tens of thousands? Est. 36,000 deaths from flu
in 2003
http://www.cdc.gov/od/oc/media/pressrel/r030107.htm
Furthermore extensive evidence exists that there were corporate and government announcements and reports of the coming swine virus before it affected
anyone?
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/1026425.ht...
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2009/05/02/federal-troops-on-...
More examples of planned distractions and nonsense-Drug-war virus spreading like the Swine flu
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/bill-conroy/2009/0...
What does being corrupt really mean, if anything?
http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/dennes-longoria/20...
Absurd and incredibly sad, as it appears this is pysops to hurt an already struggling Mexico and detour Americans from plans to move to Mexico in
response to the manufactured economic crises.
Put on your thinking caps ol timers! Remember the fist position of Science is skepticism not blind acceptance.
[Edited on 5-6-2009 by gnukid]
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Swine flu on a cruise ship would spell disaster for that cruise line, the cruise lines are already a recipe for mass illness.
[Edited on 5-6-2009 by 805gregg]
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Howodd, Woody and Gnu,
Seeing the 2 cruisers sitting outside of port today in Ensenada, I was guessing what passengers were thinking. There's gotta be a good article by a
solid journalist waiting to happen.
"So, did the captain double up the line dance lessons on the lido deck today?"
"How was the historic tour of Ensenada from 1/2 mile away?"
"Did they have fish tacos catered via boat taxi out to your ship?"
"How authentic-looking were the menu waivers as you entered the ship's dining rooms?"
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajadock
Howodd, Woody and Gnu,
Seeing the 2 cruisers sitting outside of port today in Ensenada, I was guessing what passengers were thinking. There's gotta be a good article by a
solid journalist waiting to happen.
"So, did the captain double up the line dance lessons on the lido deck today?"
"How was the historic tour of Ensenada from 1/2 mile away?"
"Did they have fish tacos catered via boat taxi out to your ship?"
"How authentic-looking were the menu waivers as you entered the ship's dining rooms?" |
No they are saying "why did I let my wife talk me into this cruise"?
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No big loss there Gnukid. What they would have experienced from a cruise ship dock isn't really Baja anyway. IMO
[Edited on 5-6-2009 by Awatson]
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What a shame. The ships are making what is known as a technical call because under the US maritime law, known as the Jones Act, a foreign flagged
vessel may not transport passengers between two US ports without making a foreign port of call. So, here are thousands of passengers, at infinitesimal
risk viz swine flu, who are unable to partake in the wonderful experience that is Ensenada. Just seems to me that people in charge, especially the
"suits" at Carnival are more worried about potential liability than the the enjoyment of their clients.
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howahhd
are you saying you would pee in the face of liability as long as EVERY client of yours had an overabundance of fun?
doesn't seem like a sound business plan to me.
i'm just sayin'!!!!
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/05/04/swine.flu.main/index.ht...
Swine flu no worse than regular flu, Napolitano says
“What the epidemiologists are seeing now with this particular strain of U.N. is that the severity of the disease, the severity of the flu—how sick you
get—is not stronger than regular seasonal flu,” Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Monday as the worldwide number of confirmed cases of
swine flu—technically known as 2009 H1N1 virus—topped 1,080.
The flu has been blamed for 26 deaths: 25 in Mexico and one in the United States, according to the World Health Organization.
Still, Napolitano noted, the seasonal flu results in “hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations” and roughly 35,000 fatalities each year in the United
States. There are still concerns that the virus could return in the fall, in the typical flu season, as a stronger strain.
“We are cautiously optimistic that this particular strain will not be more severe than a normal seasonal flu outbreak,” Napolitano said.
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The cruise lines are having to give refunds and credits to passengers for not docking in Mexico and their bookings are down also. So, I don't think
they are doing this for the money.
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I just think extending the boycott until June 15 is overkill, given what we are learning about the development of the flu epidemic. It is all about
perception and liability. Airlines have cut back on flights and downsized aircraft on some routes. Easier for them to cope. Park a plane. Deal with
the crew of maybe eight. Cruise lines have to consider their crew of, depending on the size of the ship, upwards of a thousand employees per ship. Not
so easy.
The over-reaction in avoiding Mexican ports, which will now appear to last two months, will not prevent a cruise passgenger from contracting the flu
from a passenger or crew member who boarded the ship in LA or San Diego.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
What a shame. .... thousands of passengers ....who are unable to partake in the wonderful experience that is Ensenada. ... |
And just what are those wonderful experiences in Ensenada????
I have been in town before, during, and after, the cruise ships puke out their sandals-with-socks overweight tourists trying to get "good deals" on
T-shirts, cheap viagra, and a quick drunk at discos at 11:00 am.....
Have I missed something???
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by motoged
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajahowodd
What a shame. .... thousands of passengers ....who are unable to partake in the wonderful experience that is Ensenada. ... |
And just what are those wonderful experiences in Ensenada????
I have been in town before, during, and after, the cruise ships puke out their sandals-with-socks overweight tourists trying to get "good deals" on
T-shirts, cheap viagra, and a quick drunk at discos at 11:00 am.....
Have I missed something??? |
NOPE! i think you've had the full experience....
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Ah, the cynics. Realize that for many, going to a foreign country is a treat in and of itself. But, beyond that, there are the "historic" bars, great
restaurants, a colorful shopping district, and last but not least, many folks opt for a trip to La Buf- which is alot fun.
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I was in Acapulco 04/24 ---04/28 then spent last weekend in Guadalajara. Took the airport bus from Ensenada to TJ Airport each time both ways, spent
the night in hotels, shook many hands, was in plenty of public bathrooms and ate in many restaurants with many others and still have not caught the
flu. If anyone should have it, it should be me. Never wore a mask and washed my hands often.
Going to be in Sinaloa all next week. Great time to travel. No lines at airports and no one in the restaurants.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
I was in Acapulco 04/24 ---04/28 then spent last weekend in Guadalajara. Took the airport bus from Ensenada to TJ Airport each time both ways, spent
the night in hotels, shook many hands, was in plenty of public bathrooms and ate in many restaurants with many others and still have not caught the
flu. If anyone should have it, it should be me. Never wore a mask and washed my hands often.
Going to be in Sinaloa all next week. Great time to travel. No lines at airports and no one in the restaurants. |
funny. we were in the remote central desert over the same period. there was 1 panguero who had "la gripa" as his friend called it. we gave them what
medicines we had that may/may not help his condition..... we shook many hands and partied with the locals. EVERYONE was \wearing masks when we were
driving north. we assumed it was due to the strong winds/dust. the border guy told us "they" were contemplating closing the border. "ever heard of
swine flu?" he asked. when we headed south there were 3 cases in the u.s. he told us "things are different now. you guys REALLY like it down there?"
i guess i should be saying that we are barely keeping the lid off the coffins, and everyone should stay away......
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Hmmmm
Many U.S. evening newscasts led with interviews with very upset cruise customers who had planned on visiting the Mexican ports.
They stated that they paid $xxx,xx for the trip, and that the canceled docking(s) would only net a $20 refund per port.
Call me suspicious, but are the cruise lines using a perfect storm of bad publicity to renegotiate the (allegedly) outrageous docking fees that
SEMARNAT (or whatever acronym administrates the ports) to get a better (cheaper) deal?
The cruise lines have issued several PR releases (putting on the most innocent faces possible) that they are only protecting theirs passengers'
health.
Just wondering.
[Edited on 5-7-2009 by Gypsy Jan]
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The cruise ship industry worring about the flu, I guess they want to keep everyone healthy for their own brand of NORWALK VIRUS?????????????
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Jan- Interesting point. Since the cruise industry calls on like a dozen Mexican ports regularly, you may very well be on to something. And how cynical
would that be?
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