Bajame
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Need some info as I was out of the country and my Visa expired. Does anyone know how much the fines are? It was up in Feb or March. Thanks.
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lizard lips
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If this is your last, 5th time you renew for your FM2 you have six months before you have to have it done again. Otherwise you better go down there
and see...... The late fees seem to change which ever way the wind blows.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
...... The late fees seem to change which ever way the wind blows. |
Yeah...they sure do. It could be a fine for each day late or, worst case, they might make you start all over again. I'd find an expert and know
what you're getting yourself into before you go to the office and lay yourself wide open. [go on the internet and make up some life or death hospital
receipts] The fine art of negotiation is alive and well in Mexico.
[Edited on 5-26-2009 by DENNIS]
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rts551
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Since this is a FM2 and not a FM3 you better get some help. You were not supposed to be out of the country that long. Did you by chance get an exit
stamp?
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajame
Need some info as I was out of the country and my Visa expired. Does anyone know how much the fines are? It was up in Feb or March. Thanks.
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Its up to interpretation. Consider that you depending on your strategy, you must enter the country to resolve this while you currently have no visa.
So do you arrive with a FMT and begin anew (you are going for new book?) I would discourage this, or do you arrive with no visa and correct the past?
Would they demand a fine for no current visa? According to most interpretation you have 30 days leeway, though 30 days from what date? Presumably 30
days from the required date of renewal completion to actual date of renewal completion.
http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/faq/category/6.html#Question...
Your visa may be renewed 4 times from the initial application which is a total of 5 years. If it is expired there are two simple interpretations, you
meant for it to expire and you no longer wish to have a fm2, or you would like to have it expire and begin again at a later date, or you would have
preferred to have had a new book made on time, prior to expiration, which would be preferred if you intended to complete two back to back 5 year FM-2
cycles on your way to citizenship and be a good inmigrante. I guess a forth option is you wish to change your status to fm3 or some such thing.
Either way, sounds like you are in for a new book charge, application fee, and likely fines for delay and fine for no visa presently.
You could say that you intended to let the visa expire as you were unsure of your plans to live in Baja. You wanted to be correct so you had to wait
to be sure. Now you are sure, now you want to begin again and to live in Baja permanently. So now you will begin again all over to have a new book and
pay the new book precessing fees.
I can only roughly estimate from personal experience and from the few facts you provide, though the fees are printed and established at the inm site,
I believe roughly that you will pay 460 pesos for the book, 2200 for the FM2 and about 200 pesos for the fine.
So you should be able to walk out for $3000+ pesos or so roughly which to me seems totally reasonable.
My renewal was completed over 3-4 months late though not entirely of my own fault-I started on time but they changed rules and systems and this
brought on delays for tanto derechos, though I accepted fault, at the end there was an additional charge for this delay period, it was complicated but
the charge was about 50 pesos? Which was the difference in the new and increased renewal fees from the start date to the actual finish date. Which
sounds right to me?
http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/faq/category/6.html#Question...
Ref:
1. ¿Cuándo la documentación migratoria vence ya sea en el exterior o dentro del país se les otorga a los extranjeros tiempo de gracia?:
Únicamente cuando la documentación migratoria se vence estando el extranjero fuera del país, existe un “período de gracia”: el No Inmigrante que se
encuentre ausente del país al vencimiento de su documentación migratoria podrá, a su regreso, solicitar la prórroga o revalidación que corresponda,
para lo cual tendrá un plazo de treinta días a partir de su reinternación, siempre y cuando no se exceda en los plazos de ausencia que señala su
propia característica migratoria, o de, sesenta días contados a partir de su vencimiento cuando no tenga señalado plazo de ausencia.
Al Inmigrante que pretenda internarse a México con su FM2 vencida, se le permitirá el ingreso al país para que, en un plazo no mayor de treinta días,
solicite su o regularización migratoria.
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gnukid
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If you wanted to continue the same fm-2 book or cycle you do have the right to leave the country for 120 days... You need to take all of this in to
account and remember there is nothing wrong with anything you have done or that you are going to do, you simply were unsure of your plans until now.
10. SALIDA DEL PAÍS
1. ¿Cuánto tiempo puede estar un extranjero fuera del país como No Inmigrante, Inmigrante e Inmigrado?:
En la calidad de No Inmigrante la única característica migratoria que tiene limitaciones en el tiempo que puede permanecer fuera del país es la de
estudiante, quien sólo puede ausentarse 120 días cada año de estancia.
Los inmigrantes que permanezcan fuera del país más de dieciocho meses en forma continua o con intermitencias, no podrán solicitar el cambio de su
calidad a Inmigrado, en tanto no transcurra de nuevo íntegramente el plazo de cinco años. Cuando el Inmigrante permanezca más de dos años fuera del
país, perderá su calidad migratoria.
Los inmigrados no podrán permanecer en el extranjero más de tres años consecutivos, pues perderán su calidad migratoria; lo mismo que si en un lapso
de diez años estuvieren ausentes más de cinco. Los periodos de diez años se computarán a partir de la fecha de la Declaratoria de Inmigrado.
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Marla Daily
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My FM2 experience: I applied for my first FM2 in Loreto in late December 2008 (after several 5-year FM3s). Not knowing when it would come through, (I
was told 1-2 months) I left the country by plane for 6 weeks. When I departed, Immigration wrote me a letter so I could leave and return ($50 US).
When I returned to Loreto, since I had been gone "more than 30 days" from the date my FM2 had been issued, there was another $50 fine. I was pleased
the FM2 came back so fast; I was not happy with the additional fine. So that's what happened to me in February.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Marla Daily
My FM2 experience: I applied for my first FM2 in Loreto in late December 2008 (after several 5-year FM3s). Not knowing when it would come through, (I
was told 1-2 months) I left the country by plane for 6 weeks. When I departed, Immigration wrote me a letter so I could leave and return ($50 US).
When I returned to Loreto, since I had been gone "more than 30 days" from the date my FM2 had been issued, there was another $50 fine. I was pleased
the FM2 came back so fast; I was not happy with the additional fine. So that's what happened to me in February. |
This is not correct. Either you misunderstood or they did. The cost in your circumstance would have been about 220 pesos for the 30 day to leave
permit then you would return to sign and accept your visa, as you did, which could have been the difference in yr/rates from the date you applied to
the date actually completed which, as I mentioned would have been 50 pesos prorated approximately totally about 270 pesos which totals about US$15.
Is it possible you are mistaken? You would have the receipt for payments made to the bank as well as the paper request for payment you got from the
inm? Why not check again and confirm to be sure and let us know?
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LaTijereta
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Quote:
Originally posted by lizard lips
...... The late fees seem to change which ever way the wind blows.
In Loreto, the immigration office has their own policy of wanting to charge you a $491 fee ($50us) for all "applications".. This fee includes "bank
services"
I think Marla understood the process, if she has been dealing with the Loreto office in the past.
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