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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rpleger
Just have a wreak and find out about insurance without current tags. |
And become a true Mexican for a moment in time- live on the edge. Let your plates and insurance expire and learn how to negotiate the proven mordida
system to negotiate damages on the spot- like a true Mexican if you have a wreck. If someone is hurt you will have a long, bad day- but when is the
last time you had a bad wreck? Do you know how hard it is for Mexicans to even get an insurance quote? It's ridiculous and if Mexico wanted it's
citizens to be insured- they would make it easier.
My Mexican nephew was T-boned in his truck by a motorcycleist who ran a red light. Neither had insurance and the motorcyclist died. The dead mans
mother comes to my nephews house every month to demand he make a payment for the loss of her son- even though it was his fault. It's not pleasant-
but Mexicans seem to take this type thing in stride.
This may be a big deal down in Baja Sur, but in TJ and Rosarito Beach a huge percentage of the cars have "bad plates" from California. If they have
bad plates, they also have no insurance.
I let the plates expire on my dirt bike and drive it in Baja. Who cares?! OK- California does and has asked twice for the money since they seem to
need some up there. I am willing to pay the registreation- but they won't issue it without proof of insurance- so expired stickers it is!
The ICE doesn't ask or check your plates or insurance when crossing into the USA. Not even their job. The sooner you act like a Mexican, the more
respect you will get from your neighbors. Applying Americans standards of decency and conduct in Mexico is a waste of time and only shows how new you
are new to Mexico. After a few years you will be driving with no insurance, with expired plates, sharing your DirectTV, WiFi and Cable signals with
your neighbors and laughing about how much money gringos waste playing by their rules down here. JMHO of course.
[Edited on 5-28-2009 by Woooosh]
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Dave
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They can...and do
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The ICE doesn't ask or check your plates or insurance when crossing into the USA. Not even their job. |
New program at the border. They have, or soon will have the capability to automatically scan all plates.
BTW, I agree with the rest of your post.
[Edited on 5-28-2009 by Dave]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The ICE doesn't ask or check your plates or insurance when crossing into the USA. Not even their job. |
New program at the border. They have, or soon will have the capability to automatically scan all plates.
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They have always scanned the license plates. They use the info to track trends- like how many times does that car cross the border, for how long and
who is driving? They may be improving their systems but I don't think ICE shares it with anyone at CHP though. Arnold could set up a CHP checkpoint
after the POE just for this purpose and write tickets all day long for no plates, no insurance, no car seats, talking on cell phones while driving...
why doesn't he?
[Edited on 5-28-2009 by Woooosh]
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How does Article 106 (Mexican law regarding the registration and driving of foreign cars in Mexico) apply? It states two things 1: that your car
registration and license plates are valid as long as your FM# is valid and info on who drives your car.
Is this only the mainland, and if it is does Baja do we have a link to that database?
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LB
How does Article 106 (Mexican law regarding the registration and driving of foreign cars in Mexico) apply? It states two things 1: that your car
registration and license plates are valid as long as your FM# is valid and info on who drives your car.
Is this only the mainland, and if it is does Baja do we have a link to that database? |
The car should be tied to your FM. Visit Migra and ask that they add it. Depending on their disposition you might get lucky. Other than that, It might
help to carry a copy of 106. Legally, if you have an FM# the cops don't have jurisdiction over registration. Only Migra.
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rts551
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Yeh
But Dave, tell them that. Ha
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by LB
How does Article 106 (Mexican law regarding the registration and driving of foreign cars in Mexico) apply? It states two things 1: that your car
registration and license plates are valid as long as your FM# is valid and info on who drives your car.
Is this only the mainland, and if it is does Baja do we have a link to that database? |
The car should be tied to your FM. Visit Migra and ask that they add it. Depending on their disposition you might get lucky. Other than that, It might
help to carry a copy of 106. Legally, if you have an FM# the cops don't have jurisdiction over registration. Only Migra. |
Mexico has la Migra?? really? So if I were to be pulled over by a cop I can just show my FM3 (if the car is documented on it) and not need to show
my registration/insurance/licenses?
[Edited on 5-28-2009 by Woooosh]
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LB
How does Article 106 (Mexican law regarding the registration and driving of foreign cars in Mexico) apply? It states two things 1: that your car
registration and license plates are valid as long as your FM# is valid and info on who drives your car.
Is this only the mainland, and if it is does Baja do we have a link to that database? |
This is only on the mainland .
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Sometimes we jest about this, but it is becoming a big problem. I was passing through San Quintin a couple of years ago when someone ran into the
back of a friends vehicle. The people (in the other car) all piled out and hit the surrounding community, leaving the vehicle behind. Oregon plates
3 years old. Cops said it happens all the time. They just confiscate the vehicle and its too bad for the other folks.
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
So if I were to be pulled over by a cop I can just show my FM3 (if the car is documented on it) and not need to show my
registration/insurance/licenses?
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Registration, yes. That the car is listed on your FM is your registration. But you would need to have a valid license. Also,
insurance isn't a requirement. I've never been asked for insurance verification. It's only a necessity if you're involved in an accident. Sorta like
Catch 22. 
Having said all this, it's doubtful that any cop would be aware of article 106. So you know how that's gonna go. 
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Dave
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon
| Quote: | Originally posted by LB
How does Article 106 (Mexican law regarding the registration and driving of foreign cars in Mexico) apply? It states two things 1: that your car
registration and license plates are valid as long as your FM# is valid and info on who drives your car.
Is this only the mainland, and if it is does Baja do we have a link to that database? |
This is only on the mainland . |
Article 106 is federal law. 
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Sometimes we jest about this, but it is becoming a big problem. I was passing through San Quintin a couple of years ago when someone ran into the
back of a friends vehicle. The people (in the other car) all piled out and hit the surrounding community, leaving the vehicle behind. Oregon plates
3 years old. Cops said it happens all the time. They just confiscate the vehicle and its too bad for the other folks. |
The Mexican gov't wrongly charges thousands of dollars to legally import a car from the USA- so you see lot's of expired out of state plates
everywhere in Mexico. The USA-plated cars come into Mexico registered and insured. Once in Mexico the owner may opt to: 1) Lie about it's true
garaging location in Mexico and keep the US plates and insurance current, 2) "Move" to South Dakota apparently, 3) Pay the import taxes to get valid
Mexican plates, 4) Just drive it and forgetaboutit- letting the plates and insurance expire. (IMHO option 4 is leading). Mexicans have created a
system that works for them- that's all. No, it doesn't really work and No, it certaily isn't fair if you are a victim of it.
If you are concerned about all the illegal plates then by all means always have a high limit car insurance policy. No matter who is at fault you will
be treated like a king at the accident scene. You will rock. The gringo has insurance!
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Did some checking. Found that in Baja your car must have unexpired plates
UNLESS is has been bonded by the mainland. found at www.rversonline.org.
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I don't think the car is ever documented on a FM2 or 3. You must do a Temp Import of the vehicle and then Art. 106 applies. This can be done in
Mexicali. (I have done it there). Then the TI Permit is your permit to operate in Mexico as long as you are legally there - FM2 or FM3. (this told
to me by the customs officials in Mexicali)
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LB
Did some checking. Found that in Baja your car must have unexpired plates
UNLESS is has been bonded by the mainland. found at www.rversonline.org. |
I couldn't find any information on that site. Rules for off-road vehicles may be very differnt and complicate things as well.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The sooner you act like a Mexican, the more respect you will get from your neighbors. Applying Americans standards of decency and conduct in Mexico
is a waste of time and only shows how new you are new to Mexico. After a few years you will be driving with no insurance, with expired plates,
sharing your DirectTV, WiFi and Cable signals with your neighbors and laughing about how much money gringos waste playing by their rules down here.
JMHO of course.
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Classy
Wonder why my Mexican friends are such fools to be driving with valid plates and insurance and paying for their own broadband???
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Great info. My plates are expired and I am tired of paying the People's Republic of CA. I am working on transfering the title to my brother in CO.
Can you transfer the title with a vehicle being out of the country?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wakemall
Great info. My plates are expired and I am tired of paying the People's Republic of CA. I am working on transfering the title to my brother in CO.
Can you transfer the title with a vehicle being out of the country? |
Don't know about Colorado but, in California it has to be smogged within thirty days [I think it's 30] prior to getting new registration.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by wakemall
Great info. My plates are expired and I am tired of paying the People's Republic of CA. I am working on transfering the title to my brother in CO.
Can you transfer the title with a vehicle being out of the country? |
You are asking about Colorados laws so you should check here http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/Revenue-MV/RMV/11770248...
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
The sooner you act like a Mexican, the more respect you will get from your neighbors. Applying Americans standards of decency and conduct in Mexico
is a waste of time and only shows how new you are new to Mexico. After a few years you will be driving with no insurance, with expired plates,
sharing your DirectTV, WiFi and Cable signals with your neighbors and laughing about how much money gringos waste playing by their rules down here.
JMHO of course.
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Classy
Wonder why my Mexican friends are such fools to be driving with valid plates and insurance and paying for their own broadband???
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Judgementals like "classy" simply don't apply in third world countries like Mexico. There is no shame in Mexico and certainly no shame in being poor
and driving without plates or insurance, or even having your home utilities "adjusted" by a diablito. It's a very interesting culture- where almost
anything is justifiable without shame or guilt.
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